Understanding Islamic Views

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If Jesus had come walking into Israel and giving them everything they wanted, He would really had been their Servant Slave.

If we want God to be used to give us what we want for our pride and lust, then we are serving ourselves and our passions. And God becomes the Golden Calf.

Moses took the 10 Commandments that God had written using His own ‘finger’…and Moses picked up the tablets and threw them to the ground because the people no longer believed in God but in idols.

It was Jesus Who then restored the commandments to the people in the New Covenant…Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, strength and mind and love your neighbor as yourself…because then you fulfill all 10 commandments.

The Covenant of Sinai was replaced by the new ‘Cornerstone’ of Jesus Christ in the New Covenant…

So we do not believe in the Bible in itself…it is a book…we believe in the Living God of Jesus Christ…can you see the difference here? We are in relationship with the Lord, His Word…Jesus is the Word Made Flesh. The Bible is human means, a book we can read and ponder, authored by God…but it makes no sense without the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ the True God, the True Man.

Jesus did not come to Israel as a miracle worker…and his divinity unchallenged.

Jesus came into the world as little baby, a human being.
 
KathleenGee said:
Muhammed had no witnesses. How do we or you know him in the truth? He is outside the Jewish Christian world, of a different culture. Now he has had contact with Jews and Christians, but he is coming out now with a very different Jesus but using figures and Him to create a new story.
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We know the truth about Mohammad. He denied Jesus as God. Called Jesus’ followers pigs and dogs (no problem here, I love bacon and my 3 dogs)
Same with Chrsitianity and the need to have the Crusades…to save our faith or else Christianity would have been exterminated a long time ago by Islam. Where would the world be if Islam had overtaken Europe in the 1500’s???
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The initial crusades were wars of defense against barbarians. Can you imagine the entire world under that kind of rule?
 
Cathodoki,

For those Muslims who consider our faith inferior – and many Muslims do not think that either – they must ask where we would be…

We have the right to observe and judge other people’s fruits – are they good or are they evil…Muslims know in their hearts what happened at 9/11 was wrong and to mistreat others is wrong.

When people use their religion to assume they are better or more holy…no matter which one, Jesus calls that the leaven of the Pharisee…outward looks…and we must beware.
 
elwill said:
thank you for your comment ,

but i think that prophet mohammed (pbuh) want to teach us that however hard and sincerely may man be trying to serve and worship his Lord and fighting and struggling in the cause of His Religion, he should never be involved in the misunderstanding that he has done and accomplished whatever he was required to do. Rather, on the contrary, he should have the feeling that he has not been able to do full justice to what was expected of him by his Lord and Master. Therefore, he should confess his errors constantly and pray to Allah saying 'Lord, forgive me for whatever fault and error I may have committed in Your service."

Holy Prophet (PBUH) used to ask Allah for forgiveness as a token of his modesty and also to teach his companions and followers to do the same.

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah’s Messenger saying." By Allah! I ask for forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance more than seventy times a day." (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 5832)

Ibn Umar narrated: I heard Allah’s Messenger saying, “O people ask Allah for forgiveness verily I ask Him for forgiveness hundred times a day.” (Musnad Ahmad Hadith 17173)]/QUOTE]

Are you saying that Mohammad has sins???
Do you know that what you are trying to say **that Mohammad has sins is against Islamic teachings? **

Isn’t he “ashraf al kholok”, the best of mankind - morally speaking - and that he is Infallible…

hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=5832&doc=0&IMAGE=%DA%D1%D6+%C7%E1%CD%CF%ED%CB

watch-out my friend you are against Islamic teachings…
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elwill said:
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Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah’s Messenger saying." By Allah! I ask for forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance more than seventy times a day." (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 5832)

Ibn Umar narrated: I heard Allah’s Messenger saying, “O people ask Allah for forgiveness verily I ask Him for forgiveness hundred times a day.” (Musnad Ahmad Hadith 17173)
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So mohamad sins 70 'x’s a day…and asks for forgiveness…

And in other times, mohamad sins 100’x’s a day… and asks for forgiveness…

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Alcrusader said:
Are you saying that Mohammad has sins???
Do you know that what you are trying to say **that Mohammad has sins is against Islamic teachings? **

Isn’t he “ashraf al kholok”, the best of mankind - morally speaking - and that he is Infallible…

hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=5832&doc=0&IMAGE=%DA%D1%D6+%C7%E1%CD%CF%ED%CB

watch-out my friend you are against Islamic teachings…
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OY VEY… 😃

Your link showed up as Arabic & hieroglyphics… couldn’t read a thing…!! 😛
 
Yet Jesus did not sin or lead people to wars, greed, lust, or taking over other holy sites of different beliefs.
 
KathleenGee said:
I recall Christ dying on the cross…and He had a good thief on one side of Him, and the other the bad thief.

The bad thief blasphemed Our Lord challenging His divinity…but the Good Thief acknowleded the Lord - paying the price for our sins – and Jesus assured the Good thief that he would be with Him in heaven today.

The other issue that I have found incommunicable with Muslims reflects upon the line of Gary here. They don’t understand the reasoning forthcoming.

Jesus could have walked into Israel and proclaimed He was the Messiah and begin performing awesome miracles, creating money, eliminating poverty, changing peoples’ bodies into beautiful ones, giving people every single thing they needed, turning deserts into Gardens of Eden…creating new plants and flowers…He would make every man, woman, and child just beautiful, and everybody would just Jesus, and the whole world would find out. Then Jesus would destroy the Roman Empire by HIs miracles and making the Romans all beautiful and everyone happy, and destroy all their enemies by giving the enemies everything they wanted in this world.

But you know what? People never can be completely filled by things and material beauty and healthy bodies…because Greed and Lust and Power can never be satisified…like the tongue that never needs to be replaced, the tongue, greed, and lust and power crave more and more.

This craving is the flesh…and in Christian doctrine, it is the flesh and what is in our hearts that leads us to sin…greed to control the entire world always entails murder.

Christ instead came into the world and was born in poverty, not even a home but in an animal stable. And He was placed in an animal feeder symbolic to become Food in the Eucharist for us. And He gave power to the apostles when He returned on the evening of His Resurrection to help deliver mankind from their sins.

The crux is that Jesus was Jewish, and that it was to the Jewish people that the Messiah would come, and Isaiah prophesized that the Messiah would be rejected by His own people, a man of sorrows who did not stand out…

Jesus renounced pride, power, greed, lust…He was tempted in every way like man, but in His divinity did not sin. And Jesus had not one apostle to witness Him but 12. Twelve is the number of all the Jewish tribes…and being Christianized, it then becomes the symbol of all mankind.

Jesus had 12 apostles…Know the ‘telephone grapevine game’…Play it in the MIdeast??? People sit in a line of chairs. One person begins a little story. Then it is repeated down the line. Finally the last person stands up to tell the story and it is NOT the same.

Christ had 12 witnesses to His life, death and Resurrection. When Judas defected, another was chosen by throwing lots…symbolism in this as well…And it took the Church with these 12 apostles and their successors and many other witnesses to put the Bible together…and this is to draw on the universal faith that would speak to all mankind.

Muhammed had no witnesses. How do we or you know him in the truth? He is outside the Jewish Christian world, of a different culture. Now he has had contact with Jews and Christians, but he is coming out now with a very different Jesus but using figures and Him to create a new story.

And finally, you do not see Jews or Christians having the need to take over the Hajj, Medina and Mecca…because we already know what we have?

Do I make any sense here???

And as each day begins, that alone should tell a devout believer in God who knows his own sinfulness…that a new day brings hope to try again…how many tribes have murdered their own children out of misunderstanding and impatience…when later on that child who was killed because of honor could have done great things for them??

Same with Chrsitianity and the need to have the Crusades…to save our faith or else Christianity would have been exterminated a long time ago by Islam. Where would the world be if Islam had overtaken Europe in the 1500’s???
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jakasaki said:
So mohamad sins 70 'x’s a day…and asks for forgiveness…

And in other times, mohamad sins 100’x’s a day… and asks for forgiveness…

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i will answer you , but i want to know your openion about that

Jesus (PBUH) prayed to the Father in the Heaven; “And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.” (Matthew 6:12)

Further Jesus (pbuh) was Baptized by John the Baptist and we know about John the Basptist; “And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.” (Luke 3:3)
 
Have you noticed that Elwil avoids posts that speak the truth and he can’t contradict it. I’ll give him credit, at least he hasn’t used taqiyya. 🙂

He just skips over them.
 
elwill said:
i removed them because the post was very long in the beginning , and i needed to remove some statments , so that i can post it 🙂

the command of God to not take jews or christians as allies dosn’t contradict his command to deal with them kindly and in justice and dosn’t contradict his permission for muslims to marrying from them and dosn’t contradict the freedom of relegion issue
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This is only Applicable when Muslims are on “the strong side”, and they “control the situation”…
you know the Quranik verse in {surah Mohammad 47:35}
" So be not weak and ask not for peace (from the enemies of Islam), while you are having the upper hand… "
This means whenever muslims are strong they should not ask for peace with others so that they maintain their dominance…

I don’t understand the Islamic twisted mind?
how you ask someone to kill" the others" and take from them Jezia, and humiliate them, and calling them apes, pigs and dogs, and never take them as a friend nor ally ONLY IF IT’S FOR YOUR GOOD>>>>>! how you do all this things with others and still you ask to TO RESPECT THEM!!!

this is called “playing on both sides”. This is the face of Islam, he has 2 faces, and you are as non-Muslim UNABLE to understand or even to try to Predict HOW islam will react !!

another point, Why can a Muslim man take a Christian woman, whereas a Christian man can not take a Muslim woman or it will be Killed and will be listed under the title " Honor Killing"???
  • Is taking Muslim woman as a wife from a Christian " not honorable thing"??
 
jakasaki said:
So mohamad sins 70 'x’s a day…and asks for forgiveness…

And in other times, mohamad sins 100’x’s a day… and asks for forgiveness…

:confused:
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hehhe don’t take this verse in his real meaning…

here the number means “many times” but still this Hadith isn’t accurate 100%, because if so It Will Destroy Islam.
 
elwill said:
i can’t say about myself that i studied the holy bible , i didn’t
but i know that Gospel means good news , and i believe he preached good news
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also be elwill "which Gospel these gospeles are mentioned ? is it paul writings ?

The “gospel” is a frequently-used word, but what Gospel did Jesus preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus. The Christians boast about the Gospels according to St. Matthew, according to St. Mark, according to St. Luke and according to St. John, but there is not a single Gospel “according” to (St.) Jesus himself! We sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God. That was the Injeel, the good news and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel

Dear elwill, going by the above, you either understand what Gospel means or what it does not mean. 🤷

Unless ofcourse you are simply bring quotes for arguments sake with no reasoning over them.
 
wwolverine said:
also be elwill "which Gospel these gospeles are mentioned ? is it paul writings ?

The “gospel” is a frequently-used word, but what Gospel did Jesus preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus. The Christians boast about the Gospels according to St. Matthew, according to St. Mark, according to St. Luke and according to St. John, but there is not a single Gospel “according” to (St.) Jesus himself! We sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God. That was the Injeel, the good news and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel

Dear elwill, going by the above, you either understand what Gospel means or what it does not mean. 🤷

Unless ofcourse you are simply bring quotes for arguments sake with no reasoning over them.
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my respond was for specific member and according to specific comment from this person

that’s why you lose the context and the point of this post
 
elwill said:
i will answer you , but i want to know your openion about that

Jesus (PBUH) prayed to the Father in the Heaven; “And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.” (Matthew 6:12)

Further Jesus (pbuh) was Baptized by John the Baptist and we know about John the Basptist; “And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.” (Luke 3:3)
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Could you be clear in what you are trying to say and stop reading deedat and zakir naik, read the Holy Bible and bring in your questioons. 🤷
 
And Elwil, respond to the posts that really challenge you also. Posts that show the falsehood of Mohammad’s teachings.
 
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