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TonyBS
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Or it could be the other way around
I can assure you if you put the principal of “One God” in thine own heart, the “Oneness of God” is manifest as plain as the noonday sun.Regards Tony
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I can assure you if you put the principal of “One God” in thine own heart, the “Oneness of God” is manifest as plain as the noonday sun.Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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We have a " One God " it’s called… “The Trinity” end of story.Or it could be the other way around
Regards Tony
PS no it’s not the end of story… Bahá’u’lláh has revealed…
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TonyBS
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End of story is good…
You to yours,
me to mine!
It is God that is Divine.
Yours to you
Mine to me
God will let us BE.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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Ok, Tony… show me where all of their "Messages " are the same, and not because they use the word God a few times… also they will have to be the same as Catholicism too.
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TonyBS
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I can 'Show" YOU NOT A THING.
Your heart, your job
To date I have done what I can do, the rest dear friend is up to you…
God bless the journey regards Tony
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Techno2000
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Thank You, and God Bless you…TonyI can 'Show" YOU NOT A THING.
Your heart, your job
To date I have done what I can do, the rest dear friend is up to you…
God bless the journey regards Tony
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MartinJordan
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Actually you responded without any issue by talking about Unitarian Universalists. And I’ve shown you their statement of belief about not being Apostolic. Therefore I’m not sure if you are clear in your constant search for Truth about the Holy Spirit when Apostolic traditions became your point of contention by brining up the UU.
I need clarity from you.
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Servant19
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Hi tomarin
Good question!
Yes, Islam also believes in this to some extent, although the teachings are rudimentary. The teaching is expounded upon and find fulfilment to the point of valid reasoning, in the Baha’i Writings
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Servant19
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Sorry if I’m rambling without clarity MartinActually you responded without any issue by talking about Unitarian Universalists. And I’ve shown you their statement of belief about not being Apostolic. Therefore I’m not sure if you are clear in your constant search for Truth about the Holy Spirit when Apostolic traditions became your point of contention by brining up the UU.
I need clarity from you.
MJ
I guess my dilemma is summarised by the last question I posed to you.
“Is the entire CCC a teaching of the Holy Spirit or the teaching of man”?
Also then:
“Is the entire Catechism of the Orthodox Church a teaching of the Holy Spirit or a teaching of man?”
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Servant19
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Surely it is?
If God at any point became a creator, then the concept of a “changeless God” must preclude Him to have eternally been a creator?
Imagine the sun being an eternal star. The rays of the sun are co-eternal with it, but created by it…
The core of the sun is made up of its various rays but is more than its rays. The rays are not the sun itself.
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Techno2000
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I’m sure in a Very ,Very ABSTRACT SENSE we can all use Mental Gymnastics to find the answers we are looking for.Hi tomarin
Good question!
Yes, Islam also believes in this to some extent, although the teachings are rudimentary. The teaching is expounded upon and find fulfilment to the point of valid reasoning, in the Baha’i Writings
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Servant19
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Servant19
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There is no slightest difference at all being presented here.There isn’t suppose to be any differences… remember… Servant19
XXIV: Beware, O believers in the Unity of God,…
Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose.***Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God,*hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers. **
reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-24.html
The creation story in Genesis is fully affirmed in the Baha’i Writings. But there is more to creation than what is in Genesis.
The Baha’i Faith affirms and fulfills the following Islamic Tradition:
***God, exalted be He, fashioned one hundred thousand, thousand lamps and suspended the Throne, the earth, the heavens and whatsoever is between them, even Heaven and Hell – all of these in a single lamp. And only God knows what is in the rest of the lamps.’ ***
There are no differences. It’s affirmation and expounding further.
(As Christianity was to Judaism)
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Techno2000
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AbrahamIf it wasn’t for mental gymnastics you wouldn’t have a trinity
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Krishna
Zoroaster
Buddha
Moses
Muhammad
Báb
Bahá’u’lláh
And ALL of these people should have been teaching the The Trinity because there shouldn’t be the** slightest difference **between them.
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Servant19
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They ALL did teach the Trinity Techno.
It’s just that you are limiting God to ONLY Christian attribution.
God is LIMITLESS, not limited. You’re idol worshipping simply because you have conceived a god made up of nothing but what YOU think (with your finite mind) what He should be like.
God is infinite.
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IgnatianPhilo
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I find the discourse of trinitarian thinking within Christianity, within the history of the church, while challenging and perhaps at times confusing, entirely reasonable. The church wanted to understand the place of the Son in relation to the Father. Who the Spirit was. What is the relationship between all three? These are not unreasonable lines of enquiry and we are limited in our approach to two resources upon which to draw from, the Scripture and the Tradition of the Fathers. The church worked through this.If it wasn’t for mental gymnastics you wouldn’t have a trinity
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If anyone can be said to be doing mental gymnastics it is the bahai who are not limited to any sort of canon. In other threads you have said all religions come from God and thus you have to reinterpret the words of literally every religious text to suite the bahai standard. I suspect even my own words you attempt to read as if they are actually agreeing with you. Bahai have to go out of their way to avoid contradiciton because contradiction in religions cannot exist and it matters not how its done.
I’ve been reading the bahai take on trinity presented in this thread and it is not trinity. Not the historic trinity of the Church, the trinity everyone thinks of when they hear that word. The Trinity of the councils and Fathers. It is a different kind of animal, a product of a different revelation. I would ask you, do you think we are wrong in what we say about the trinity? Or will you claim ignorance as to what it means? or will you redefine what we say about trinity in order to fit your idea of trinity?
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Michael68
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Please explain this statementIf it wasn’t for mental gymnastics you wouldn’t have a trinity
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Techno2000
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I know, I know it’s all just an illusion.
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MartinJordan
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You still haven’t clarified to me why bring up the UU? Are your claim about them. You need to answer this. It supersedes my answer to your question you asked me.Sorry if I’m rambling without clarity Martin
Why do you need to guess what you’re trying to say?
Quite puzzled.
MJ
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MartinJordan
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Who The Holy Spirit is not a contention in the Trinity. It is man outside the teaching from Apostolic tradition need to figure it out. Perhaps accepting the immense Theology involved and defended by the very people who try to live by the Spirit’s prompting.
MJ
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