Understanding the Trinity

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IgnatianPhilo said:
I find the discourse of trinitarian thinking within Christianity, within the history of the church, while challenging and perhaps at times confusing, entirely reasonable. The church wanted to understand the place of the Son in relation to the Father. Who the Spirit was. What is the relationship between all three? These are not unreasonable lines of enquiry and we are limited in our approach to two resources upon which to draw from, the Scripture and the Tradition of the Fathers. The church worked through this.

If anyone can be said to be doing mental gymnastics it is the bahai who are not limited to any sort of canon. In other threads you have said all religions come from God and thus you have to reinterpret the words of literally every religious text to suite the bahai standard. I suspect even my own words you attempt to read as if they are actually agreeing with you. Bahai have to go out of their way to avoid contradiciton because contradiction in religions cannot exist and it matters not how its done.

I’ve been reading the bahai take on trinity presented in this thread and it is not trinity. Not the historic trinity of the Church, the trinity everyone thinks of when they hear that word. The Trinity of the councils and Fathers. It is a different kind of animal, a product of a different revelation. I would ask you, do you think we are wrong in what we say about the trinity? Or will you claim ignorance as to what it means? or will you redefine what we say about trinity in order to fit your idea of trinity?
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If you notice, you are responding to a conversation between myself and Techno.

There is no gymnastics at all in finding the spiritual unity between all major religions. It really is plain to see. It is more plain to see than the evidence of a Trinity in the Old Testament.
This is not saying it’s not there, it is, but the spiritual unity between religions is almost an entire book can be filled with all the quotes from different religions saying the exact same spiritual message (without any gymnastics)

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Servant19 said:
I would say the exact same things about the spiritual unity of religions.
They all teach virtue and the resultant drawing us towards God.

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But doesn’t Islam reject the Trinity? Any kind of trinity?

Plus the OP asked what do other religions think of the Trinity and how we explain it. Not about syncretism.🙂

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
You still haven’t clarified to me why bring up the UU? Are your claim about them. You need to answer this. It supersedes my answer to your question you asked me. 🙂

Why do you need to guess what you’re trying to say?

Quite puzzled.

MJ
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I simply enquirer about the UU because they are non-Trinitarian. I wanted your thoughts on them that’s all, and your thoughts were acceptable and reasonable 🙂

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Servant19 said:
If you notice, you are responding to a conversation between myself and Techno.

There is no gymnastics at all in finding the spiritual unity between all major religions. It really is plain to see. It is more plain to see than the evidence of a Trinity in the Old Testament.
This is not saying it’s not there, it is, but the spiritual unity between religions is almost an entire book can be filled with all the quotes from different religions saying the exact same spiritual message (without any gymnastics)

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Right, as long as your God is some kind of… Cosmic Gnostic Deity… one can make any teaching fit.
 
Servant19 said:
I simply enquirer about the UU because they are non-Trinitarian. I wanted your thoughts on them that’s all, and your thoughts were acceptable and reasonable 🙂

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Servant you claimed something about them over my answer. Not inquired. 🙂

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Servant you claimed something about them over my answer. Not inquired. 🙂

MJ
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I claimed they were Apostolic because they say they are.

I asked for your perspective on their claim that they are also guided by the Holy Spirit…

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Servant19 said:
If you notice, you are responding to a conversation between myself and Techno.

There is no gymnastics at all in finding the spiritual unity between all major religions. It really is plain to see. It is more plain to see than the evidence of a Trinity in the Old Testament.
This is not saying it’s not there, it is, but the spiritual unity between religions is almost an entire book can be filled with all the quotes from different religions saying the exact same spiritual message (without any gymnastics)

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Are we wrong about the trinity?
 
Servant 19 said:
You’re falling for the trap of unCatholic rudeness again Techno 🙂

God bless you, you really are cute 🙂

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“If it wasn’t for mental gymnastics you wouldn’t have a trinity”

Wasn’t that a little rude too…Servant 19 🙂
 
MartinJordan said:
Best to ask a Muslim 🙂

The Trinity is mutual self giving. That will certainly not go down well with them. Plus they say God has no "partners ".

MJ
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The fact that Christians attribute the 3 Persons essential oneness does not mean that the Muslims believe in that attribute.

They, like you, have a narrow, limited view of God.

They can’t understand how a Baha’i can be comfortable with the “Jesus is God” concept.

It’s not an “and/or” with the Trinity, it’s an “and/and” 🙂

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Servant19 said:
Only in terms of two things:
  1. The Word is uncreated. (Hints at polytheism)
  2. The Essence of God manifests IN creation. (More than hints at pantheism)
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So we are wrong in our fundamental doctrine of God, our highest and best explanation as to who God is, we Christians have failed in teaching rightly.

We are also wrong with regards to the resurrection right, and our view of salvation being limited right?
 
Servant19 said:
I claimed they were Apostolic because they say they are.

I asked for your perspective on their claim that they are also guided by the Holy Spirit…

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So you claimed not inquired. Now they’re statement of Faith was each individual can decide. That Not Apostolic at all.🙂

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
So you claimed not inquired. Now they’re statement of Faith was each individual can decide. That Not Apostolic at all.🙂

MJ
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Why the picking Martin?

The question still stands dear brother 🙂

Yes I claimed. My apologies for claiming legitimately something on behalf of another religious group. :confused::confused:

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Servant19 said:
The fact that Christians attribute the 3 Persons essential oneness does not mean that the Muslims believe in that attribute.

They, like you, have a narrow, limited view of God.

They can’t understand how a Baha’i can be comfortable with the “Jesus is God” concept.

It’s not an “and/or” with the Trinity, it’s an “and/and” 🙂

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Love is all encompassing. No narrowness Servant. 🙂

And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.🙂

MJ
 
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