This is quite interesting as it is known that there are many people on the planet at certain times in history that are very in-tuned to Gods Word, even if they are not sure of the source of their Inspiration.In 1963, Sathya Sai Baba declared that he was an incarnation of Shiva-Sakti. He also said he was a reincarnation of Dattatreya, an incarnation of Trimurti.
I have some distant relative in-laws that follow this person. I consider him and the hugging Amma (mother) popular frauds. It’s very easy to fool uneducated poor people with magic tricks and illusions.Syro, a small tangent…what is your opinion of the “Sathya Sai Baba movement is inspired by South Indian guru Sathya Sai Baba who taught the unity of all religions.”?
I’m not sure what is their teaching of the Trinity. Do you know by any chance?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba_movement
MJ
Tony, your method seems to be to accept everything and let the future sort it out. Mine is the reverse. I’m skeptical of everything until shown otherwise. I believe mine is the more reliable approach.If you reread my response, you will also see that mans writings that include some of the Words of God, do have a limited influence. The key here is Limited.
In the end what is of man dissolves back to the dust it came from, what is of and from God Remains is renewed and will always flourish.
God bless and Regards Tony.
I agree with you on this. And at THE END all man made dust will fly away with the chaff from the wheat and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!Tony, your method seems to be to accept everything and let the future sort it out. Mine is the reverse. I’m skeptical of everything until shown otherwise. I believe mine is the more reliable approach.
It is suggesting that history is a good teacher. That no matter how many Manifestations of God we are Given. No matter how great the Revelation, the majority of Mankind will reject the Word of God. Only a handful of Pure Souls will see the message and over time the Fruits become obvious to more and more who embrace the Truth of the Word.Tony, your method seems to be to accept everything and let the future sort it out. Mine is the reverse. I’m skeptical of everything until shown otherwise. I believe mine is the more reliable approach.
I should probably let this go, because it seems off topic. But I think I need some clarification about your information.I have some distant relative in-laws that follow this person. I consider him and the hugging Amma (mother) popular frauds. It’s very easy to fool uneducated poor people with magic tricks and illusions.
What is most interesting is the entire world of Humanity is always subject to this power, without even knowing it.I agree with you on this. And at THE END all man made dust will fly away with the chaff from the wheat and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!
There’s financial poverty, and poverty of theological depth. Some folks fall among the first, some among the second and many among both. India is the land of 300 million gods and probably a uncountable number of self proclaimed gurus, swamis, snake oil salesman, and swindlers.I should probably let this go, because it seems off topic. But I think I need some clarification about your information.
Are you saying your distant relatives are uneducated, poor people?
Successful people, however, Tom Cruise is devoted to LRon Hubbard, Ronald Reagan consulted mediums, and Henry Ford was a vehement anti-semite. All successful and ideologically handicapped at the same time.Sathya Sai Baba counts among his followers several judges including a former Chief Justice of India, two ex-Prime Ministers of India, several Indian industrialists and CEOs, the founder of the Hard Rock Cafe chain - many of his followers are spread across the world in mostly developed countries - all poor and uneducated perhaps?
Some I’m sure. The millions that believe Sai made gold appear out of thin air even when shown otherwise are just as gullible as those that follow Benny Hinn and his fraudsadesuppose the devotees MartinJordan knows are also poor and uneducated?
I don’t know that much about Amma, but I know that the CEO of one of Canada’s oil companies was a devotee.
the vast majority of Indians.So who exactly are these uneducated, poor followers that you know about?
Judges, Chief Justice, Prime Ministers are not the same as Tom Cruise. Indian Prime Ministers have been better educated than Ronald Reagan. (I don’t know what league you would put Sachin Tendulkar - maybe an uneducated entertainer?)There’s financial poverty, and poverty of theological depth. Some folks fall among the first, some among the second and many among both. India is the land of 300 million gods and probably a uncountable number of self proclaimed gurus, swamis, snake oil salesman, and swindlers.
Successful people, however, Tom Cruise is devoted to LRon Hubbard, Ronald Reagan consulted mediums, and Henry Ford was a vehement anti-semite. All successful and ideologically handicapped at the same time. Some I’m sure. The millions that believe Sai made gold appear out of thin air even when shown otherwise are just as gullible as those that follow Benny Hinn and his fraudsade
the vast majority of Indians.
The cricket player? I’d put him right next to any other sports figure. I wouldn’t consider him a spiritual guide due to his sports or financial successes.Judges, Chief Justice, Prime Ministers are not the same as Tom Cruise. Indian Prime Ministers have been better educated than Ronald Reagan. (I don’t know what league you would put Sachin Tendulkar - maybe an uneducated entertainer?)
Anti-semitism has to do with ideology, following an idea or ‘faith’ without critical thinking.In any case, majority of Indians are relatively poor and uneducated, so any spiritual leader in India will have mostly poor and uneducated followers. However since many of Sai Baba’s followers are from the West, proportionally his followers are better educated and well to do. (what anti-semitism has to do with any of this is totally beyond me - I was only talking about the ‘poor’, ‘uneducated’ remark))
I was not claiming anything about Sai Baba’s authenticity, just responding to your remark that most of his followers are uneducated and poor. As spiritual leaders go, most of his followers are neither uneducated nor poor.The cricket player? I’d put him right next to any other sports figure. I wouldn’t consider him a spiritual guide due to his sports or financial successes.
Anti-semitism has to do with ideology, following an idea or ‘faith’ without critical thinking.
In every case of this that I have come across, there is ALWAYS a dead give away that the “religious person” should not be accounted as amongst the Manifestations of God.Syro, a small tangent…what is your opinion of the “Sathya Sai Baba movement is inspired by South Indian guru Sathya Sai Baba who taught the unity of all religions.”?
I’m not sure what is their teaching of the Trinity. Do you know by any chance?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba_movement
MJ
I’ll let the facts speak for themselves, if out of 5million supposed followers, an extraordinarily large 500000 are wealthy and/or educated, that is still the minority.I was not claiming anything about Sai Baba’s authenticity, just responding to your remark that most of his followers are uneducated and poor. As spiritual leaders go, most of his followers are neither uneducated nor poor.
expected according to who, and who accepts these claims and whyThe next expected incarnation of Vishnu is Kalki (but he will be different from both Krishna as well as Rama)
Yes, no one can be without ccomparing themselves with Jesus. No Jesus no manifestation of God..
It only takes a little bit of thought to realise that these parallelisms don’t wash Martin. Jesus and the Bab lead REMARKABLY similar lives.
Sai Baba is like a drop in the ocean of a Manifestation of God.
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In 130 countries they do charities. It will be not respectful to put them down like this.In every case of this that I have come across, there is ALWAYS a dead give away that the “religious person” should not be accounted as amongst the Manifestations of God.
I wonder if you can guess what it was with Sai Baba???
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I never claimed majority are wealthy. Very few sects in India have majority wealthy - that includes Hindus, Muslims, Catholics(in India) etc. All I wanted to point out was that Sai Baba’s followers are not especially poor or uneducated compared to other sects - in fact they are better off and better educated (relatively speaking).I’ll let the facts speak for themselves, if out of 5million supposed followers, an extraordinarily large 500000 are wealthy and/or educated, that is still the minority.
There is plenty of literature on the web regarding the next expected Hindu incarnation of Vishnu. You can start here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KalkiThe next expected incarnation of Vishnu is Kalki (but he will be different from both Krishna as well as Rama)
I can assure you the Bab never compared Himself to Jesus, He IS Jesus. I made the comparison because I have fairly and objectively studied their lives. Am I correct in assuming you have not read Nabil’s Narrative?Yes, no one can be without ccomparing themselves with Jesus. No Jesus no manifestation of God.
MJ
I did not put the followers down at all. Can you show me where?In 130 countries they do charities. It will be not respectful to put them down like this.
MJ
The human Jesus is also God. No separation in substance. That’s why the Holy Trinity when we start prayer on earth.I can assure you the Bab never compared Himself to Jesus, He IS Jesus. I made the comparison because I have fairly and objectively studied their lives. Am I correct in assuming you have not read Nabil’s Narrative?
Catholic and Baha’i theology dictates that the Word precedes the human Jesus.