Understanding the Trinity

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MartinJordan said:
“The path of Christian life is essentially a ‘Trinitarian’ path. The Holy Spirit is the one who guides us to full knowledge of the teachings of Christ, while Jesus, who came into the world to show us the Father, continues to guide us to him and to reconcile us with him”

“Everything in the Christian life revolves around the Trinitarian mystery and is accomplished according to this infinite mystery,” - Pope Francis

MJ
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Would have to say the Pope has that right, I do wonder if He has read Baha’u’llah letters, there will be a time soon and really has already started, when many will.

Interestingly it will not be to look for the Truth within, but to look for points of disagreement.

What is amazing is that in the end no disagreement can be supported, but only time will disclose as to what all this will be. The vision is already written.

Regards Tony
 
Techno2000 said:
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Galatians 1:8
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“Be careful to observe only that which I enjoin upon you; neither add to it nor take away from it…So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.”

Deuteronomy 13.1

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Servant19 said:
“Be careful to observe only that which I enjoin upon you; neither add to it nor take away from** it**…So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.”

Deuteronomy 13.1

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What is it…?

What evil is in the midst of thee…?
 
Techno2000 said:
What is it…?

What evil is in the midst of thee…?
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This is Deuteronomy Techno.

“IT” is the Law as enjoined by God to the Jews. Jesus came and added so much and indeed took away so much from the Law.

By your own logic, Jesus was evil…

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Servant19 said:
This is Deuteronomy Techno.

“IT” is the Law as enjoined by God to the Jews. Jesus came and added so much and indeed took away so much from the Law.

By your own logic, Jesus was evil…

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No, it was to not incorporate** paganism** into the Jewish religion, this was the Evil that was in their midst, not Christianity .
 
Techno2000 said:
No, it was to not incorporate** paganism** into the Jewish religion, this was the Evil that was in their midst, not Christianity .
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Are you just making this up as you are going along??? Deut 13 is clearly talking about a prophet…

Here are 3 Jewish references that say you are incorrect, it applied to Jesus as well as paganism:
  • Rich, Tracey, “Prophets and Prophecy”, Judaism 101.
  • Frankel, Rabbi Pinchas, “Covenant of History: A Fools Prophecy”, Orthodox Union of Jewish Congregations of America.
  • Edwards, Laurence, “Torat Hayim - Living Torah: No Rest(s) for the Wicked”, Union of American Hebrew Congregations.
I trust the Jewish interpretation more than your one dear friend 🙂

Finally, here’s another concern for you from Talmud (Sotah 48b): “when Malachi died the Prophecy departed from Israel.”

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Servant19 said:
Are you just making this up as you are going along??? Deut 13 is clearly talking about a prophet…

Here are 3 Jewish references that say you are incorrect, it applied to Jesus as well as paganism:
  • Rich, Tracey, “Prophets and Prophecy”, Judaism 101.
  • Frankel, Rabbi Pinchas, “Covenant of History: A Fools Prophecy”, Orthodox Union of Jewish Congregations of America.
  • Edwards, Laurence, “Torat Hayim - Living Torah: No Rest(s) for the Wicked”, Union of American Hebrew Congregations.
I trust the Jewish interpretation more than your one dear friend 🙂

Finally, here’s another concern for you from Talmud (Sotah 48b): “when Malachi died the Prophecy departed from Israel.”

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Jesus wasn’t a Prophet… he is God… Deut 13, and all of the old Testament comes from Him.
 
TonyBS said:
Would have to say the Pope has that right, I do wonder if He has read Baha’u’llah letters, there will be a time soon and really has already started, when many will.

Interestingly it will not be to look for the Truth within, but to look for points of disagreement.

What is amazing is that in the end no disagreement can be supported, but only time will disclose as to what all this will be. The vision is already written.

Regards Tony
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Experiences of following Christ and carrying his Cross is integral in Christian life and passing down the teachings with the Love of the Trinity in our hearts and minds is lifegiving and WILL save the World.

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
From the Jerusalem Talmud (Ta’anit 2:1):

"if a man claims to be God, he is a liar."

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When the Jewish people pray to “God” they are praying to Jesus also because Jesus and the Father are one.

The Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
 
Techno2000 said:
When the Jewish people pray to “God” they are praying to Jesus also because Jesus and the Father are one.

The Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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Lol

Try telling a Jew that…

You’re accusations against Baha’u’llah are laughably similar to the accusations of Jews against Jesus…

You can scream Devil Devil Devil all you like, just like the Jews did to Jesus…seems like Baha’u’llah is in good company 😉

So please, keep going!!

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Techno2000 said:
When the Jewish people pray to “God” they are praying to Jesus also because Jesus and the Father are one.

The Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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Might I also remind you that when you are praying to the Father, you are praying to Baha’u’llah 🙂

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Servant19 said:
I’m not the one telling Hindus that they are worshipping the Devil

How terribly rude…seriously…

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The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 1 Timothy 4:1

Is this rude ?
 
Techno2000 said:
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 1 Timothy 4:1

Is this rude ?
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It’s you assuming that this applies to Baha’u’llah which is incredibly rude and unCatholic

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Today we contemplate the Most Holy Trinity as Jesus introduced us to it. He revealed to us that God is love “not in the oneness of a single Person, but in the Trinity of one substance” (Preface). He is the Creator and merciful Father; he is the Only-Begotten Son, eternal Wisdom incarnate, who died and rose for us; he is the Holy Spirit who moves all things, cosmos and history, toward their final, full recapitulation. Three Persons who are one God because the Father is love, the Son is love, the Spirit is love. God is wholly and only love, the purest, infinite and eternal love. He does not live in splendid solitude but rather is an inexhaustible source of life that is ceaselessly given and communicated. To a certain extent we can perceive this by observing both the macro-universe: our earth, the planets, the stars, the galaxies; and the micro-universe: cells, atoms, elementary particles. The “name” of the Blessed Trinity is, in a certain sense, imprinted upon all things because all that exists, down to the last particle, is in relation; in this way we catch a glimpse of God as relationship and ultimately, Creator Love. All things derive from love, aspire to love and move impelled by love, though naturally with varying degrees of awareness and freedom. “O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!” (Ps 8: 1) the Psalmist exclaims. In speaking of the “name”, the Bible refers to God himself, his truest identity. It is an identity that shines upon the whole of Creation, in which all beings for the very fact that they exist and because of the “fabric” of which they are made point to a transcendent Principle, to eternal and infinite Life which is given, in a word, to Love. “In him we live and move and have our being”, St Paul said at the Areopagus of Athens (Acts 17: 28). The strongest proof that we are made in the image of the Trinity is this: love alone makes us happy because we live in a relationship, and we live to love and to be loved. Borrowing an analogy from biology, we could say that imprinted upon his “genome”, the human being bears a profound mark of the Trinity, of God as Love. - Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI

Glory be to the Father,
Who by His almighty power and love created me,
making me in the image and likeness of God.

Glory be to the Son,
Who by His Precious Blood delivered me from hell,
and opened for me the gates of heaven.

Glory be to the Holy Spirit,
Who has sanctified me in the sacrament of Baptism,
and continues to sanctify me
by the graces I receive daily from His bounty.

Glory be to the Three adorable Persons of the Holy Trinity,
now and forever.

Amen.

MJ
 
Servant 19 said:
It’s you assuming that this applies to Baha’u’llah which is incredibly rude and unCatholic

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No, Servant 19… I’m not saying you are a bad person are some kind of Devil worshiper in fact you seem like a Great person.All I’m saying is that there is a real possibility that you are being deceived. If you had a friend who was being scammed in some way wouldn’t you do everything in your power to prevent this, and would this seem rude if you intervene on your friend’s behalf ?
 
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