Understanding the Trinity

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Servant19 said:
Thank you Vico.

If begetting and creating are not the same, why the need to point out “uncreated”? Begetting already should mean uncreated, no need to emphasise the point, if that is the case…

I absolutely agree that it is within the nature of Gods essence to beget, generate, or emanate, but still cannot tell us that the “begotten/generated/emanated” is uncreated.

I looked back and the subject of uncreatedness and polytheism is still an unresolved issue.

Also the essential attributes of God. I found this to be consistent with Baha’i belief:

Please share your thoughts…

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I do not know what occurrence of need to point out “uncreated” you refer to.

Uncreated and created are used this way: God is uncreated; creatures are created.

The Son of the Father must be eternal like Him. They are consubstantial.

Geeek: τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γεννηθέντα πρὸ πάντων τῶν αἰώνων
Latin: factum Et ex Patre natum ante ómnia sæcula
English: begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons)
 
Servant19 said:
“Manifestation of God” is a term used in the Baha’i Writings to refer to Baha’u’llah, or the Bab, or Jesus, or Muhammad etc…basically the Founders of major global religions.

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So… it’s like Reincarnation for God ?
 
Techno2000 said:
So… it’s like Reincarnation for God ?
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It’s exactly the same as the Prophet Elijah coming back as John the Baptist.

The Bshai Faith does not believe in reincarnation, so it’s not that, it’s a Return.

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Vico said:
I do not know what occurrence of need to point out “uncreated” you refer to.

Uncreated and created are used this way: God is uncreated; creatures are created.

The Son of the Father must be eternal like Him. They are consubstantial.

Geeek: τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γεννηθέντα πρὸ πάντων τῶν αἰώνων
Latin: factum Et ex Patre natum ante ómnia sæcula
English: begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons)
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Please share your thoughts on aseity dear Vico and the question I posed about it in the previous page…

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Servant19 said:
It’s exactly the same as the Prophet Elijah coming back as John the Baptist.

The Bshai Faith does not believe in reincarnation, so it’s not that, it’s a Return.

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So, why does God keep returning with different, and incompatible teachings ?
 
Techno2000 said:
So, why does God keep returning with different, and incompatible teachings ?
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Most people are born into a religion and very rarely “search for God”, explore Him with pure heart and recognise Him. Most people are quite happy to sit on what they have and claim exclusive rights to God, thinking they have a position of “right”

Many people abuse that right and patronise and degrade and even oppress because they think that right they have been given, and born into, gives them a position of privilege over others who are not the same.

When you are searching for God, you seek Him in all things, including all religions and you then see no incompatibility at all.

Baha’u’llah states “This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future”

As a Baha’i, I’ve studied enough to see no incompatibility at all between the Baha’i Faith with Islam or Christianity…

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Techno2000 said:
So this leaves Hinduism, and Buddhism out of the picture, because they believe in reincarnation.
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Not a subject for this thread.

If you do a search you will find threads on this in CAF…you are not looking for God in all things, you are looking for ways in which you can exercise your “rights”

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Servant19 said:
It’s exactly the same as the Prophet Elijah coming back as John the Baptist.

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And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”
 
Servant19 said:
Not a subject for this thread.

If you do a search you will find threads on this in CAF…you are not looking for God in all things, you are looking for ways in which you can exercise your “rights”

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I Believe God is in the smallest flower, but it’s the Trinity God. 🙂
 
Techno2000 said:
I Believe God is in the smallest flower, but it’s the Trinity God. 🙂
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God is in everything. We are to find Him standing within us with laws.

It could be seen that one takes Him out of the worlds Major Religions by using a doctrine that man compiled from scriptures.

If a person does beleive God gives us all, it is up to us to figure out how the Whole works.

It may be that the Trinity is best understood in this manner.

Regards Tony
 
what does it mean when a bahai says God is IN everything?

Christians believe God is separate from His creation except for when He Incarnated in Jesus Christ. in Jesus Christ, God joins Himself completely to human nature. that is the only event in which God is IN His creation. are One.

that is why I ask what the bahai mean when they say God is in everything. I hope that the bahai can expound on what they mean when they say God is in everything.
 
eddie_too said:
what does it mean when a bahai says God is IN everything?

Christians believe God is separate from His creation except for when He Incarnated in Jesus Christ. in Jesus Christ, God joins Himself completely to human nature. that is the only event in which God is IN His creation. are One.

that is why I ask what the bahai mean when they say God is in everything. I hope that the bahai can expound on what they mean when they say God is in everything.
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Dear Eddie - Yes when I came back to edit that it was too late. My words would be It is like the Painter and His Picture - Everything on the Canvas is from the Painter, but the spirit of the painter is in each brushstroke of the painting.

Baha’u’llah says, “…nothing whatsoever in the whole universe can be discovered that doth not reflect His splendor.” For Baha’is, believing in the Unity of God means recognizing “in each and every created thing the sign of the revelation of Him Who is the Eternal Truth.” This means everything that exists in the universe is a reflection of God. The mountains manifest His majesty, the sun portrays His power, the rain reflects His mercy. But while everything is a sign of God, not everything is of equal value. “Can the sun,” Baha’u’llah questions, “be regarded as equal in rank to darkness?”

More fully explained here - bahaiteachings.org/unity-of-god-and-his-creation

Regards Tony
 
God has made it very clear to faithful RCs how it all works spiritually,

on the other hand, how it all works scientifically He has left it up to us to find out.
 
eddie_too said:
God has made it very clear to faithful RCs how it all works spiritually,

on the other hand, how it all works scientifically He has left it up to us to find out.
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Dear eddie too - This is so great 👍 This is also 100% correct that we are left with free will to sort it all out. 😉

God Has given us a mighty Bird of Knowledge with two mighty wings.

One wing Is the Knowledge of God obtained through His religions, and the other wing is the Knowledge of Creation as obtained through Science. Both require man to search and find the Truth.

Both wings must be balanced or the Bird will not Fly. Thus it can be then noted, Religion without Science is Superstition and Science without religion leads us to destruction.

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
eddie_too said:
God has made it very clear to faithful RCs how it all works spiritually,

on the other hand, how it all works scientifically He has left it up to us to find out.
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Especially in the sense of revealing truths which are mysteries and so we have on scientific knowledge of them, such as transfiguration, transubstantiation, resurrection, and heaven and hell.
 
Techno2000 said:
And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”
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Spiritually speaking and as Jesus said “if you are willing to accept it”

Using the Church’s New Testament Gospel should be given utmost respect, and it is a sign that if any person of another Faith uses it, they are searching. Yet in good spirit I state that should the Gospel of Christ be used to make their point, I just would hope they be forthright in explaining why they use it.

So Servant what is the point here?

MJ
 
TonyBS said:
Dear eddie too - This is so great 👍 This is also 100% correct that we are left with free will to sort it all out. 😉

God Has given us a mighty Bird of Knowledge with two mighty wings.

One wing Is the Knowledge of God obtained through His religions, and the other wing is the Knowledge of Creation as obtained through Science. Both require man to search and find the Truth.

Both wings must be balanced or the Bird will not Fly. Thus it can be then noted, Religion without Science is Superstition and Science without religion leads us to destruction.

God Bless and Regards Tony
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Actually Tony why are you still insisting these kind of things when you use our Scripture?

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Spiritually speaking and as Jesus said “if you are willing to accept it”

Using the Church’s New Testament Gospel should be given utmost respect, and it is a sign that if any person of another Faith uses it, they are searching. Yet in good spirit I state that should the Gospel of Christ be used to make their point, I just would hope they be forthright in explaining why they use it.

So Servant what is the point here?

MJ
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The Point he is making is that they don’t believe in the reincarnation of God, but if they did believe in the reincarnation of God it would kinda be like the reincarnation of Elijah coming back as John the Baptist .
 
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