Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament

[niceatheist]

It’s not going to happen. The knowledge to build such weapons is out there, and it won’t go away. There’s no going back to the pre-nuclear age. It is that simple.

 

[Raxus]

Like I said, Christian values only go so far. The USA, the greatest self proclaimed Christian Nation…will not set the example…Christian values only go so far.

Christian values do not demand that we embrace stupidity.

 

[undead_rat]

It’s not going to happen. The knowledge to build such weapons is out there, and it won’t go away. There’s no going back to the pre-nuclear age.

Unilateral nuclear disarmament is not the same as “going back to the pre-nuclear age.” If the electorate of the USA supported that plan, then they could elect those politicians that wanted to cary it out. The USA is under no mandate or law fron God that requires it to maintain a nuclear arsonal.
We are within our rights to get rid of the nukes if we choose to do so.
The only reason that it won’t happen is because the majority of voters, of which you are a part, do not support unilateral nuclear disarmament. You continue to believe the government’s lying propaganda that our nuclear weapons are necessary for our safety. But exactly the opposite is true.

 

[undead_rat]

Christian values do not demand that we embrace stupidity.

Thank you.
About the dumbest thing that we can do as citizens ot the USA is to believe our government’s propaganda that the USA’s arsonal of nuclear weapons is necessary for our safety. This arsonal is offensive to God, our Creator. He has been patient and has saved us from blowing up the world several times already. But that forebearance won’t last much longer. We should follow the advice of the Catholic Bishops and get rid of the nukes while we still have time to do so.

 

[undead_rat]

Define violence. I’d say abortion qualifies, and has to date killed many more people than nuclear war. I am not sure that is the best argument.

While it is true that abortion existed in ancient times, it does not seem to have been as prevalent as it is today. We don’t notice any specific compliants from our Creator about it. What He did note as His reason for sending the flood was mankind’s unrelenting propensity for violence. Now man has deployed nuclear weapons which, in my opinion, are the ultimate expession of violence. That is the violence that God finds so offensive. He promised that He would never again destroy mankind, but He will allow us to destroy ourselves with these evil devices which we have created in gross violation of His Laws.

 

[undead_rat]

And you talk about nuclear war in the affirmative, or almost past tense, as though it is a guarantee. Nothing is a guarantee, especially after decades of detente.

A world-wide disaster of fire is predicted in Scripture. Since our Creator has promised to never again destroy humanity (Genesis 8:21) the source of that fire can only be from man himself.
See Psalm 9:15-16 in post #13.

 

[upant]

You continue to believe the government’s lying propaganda that our nuclear weapons are necessary for our safety. But exactly the opposite is true.

you haven’t proved this. why do you think irag is trying to develop the nuke?

This arsonal is offensive to God, our Creator.

i think our sins are more offensive to God than a nuke arsenal.

which, in my opinion,

your opinion isn’t gospel

A world-wide disaster of fire is predicted in Scripture

if it is predicted, it will happen. we can not be defenseless in such a future. unless you want to see the death of this nation.

 

[joeybaggz]

Thank you, for this observation. In my opinion it demonstrates that the USA is not actually practicing Christian values.

When a vicious, rabid dog is threatening you and your family, one must practice the Christian value of tying one’s hands behind one’s back? That Christian value??

 

[upant]

the catechism allows us to be equally armed

we don’t need to be the first to disarm

• the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

 

[niceatheist]

Nuclear weapons pretty much guarantee territorial integrity. There won’t be any more Napoleons or Hitlers, because the end result of attempting a wide scale invasion of a Great Power or one of its satellite states is you get nukes. Nuclear weapons are a doomsday weapon, and ironically impose a sort of wide scale peace. It may be an uneasy and imperfect peace, but a peace nonetheless.

Think about the Indian subcontinent. India and Pakistan have effectively fought a low grade war since Partition, bubbling into open conflict on multiple occasions, but since both countries started developing nuclear technology in the 1970s, most combat has either been isolated border skirmishes, but more often than not war has been economic and diplomatic. The cost of open war would be a nuclear conflict that would devestate both countries, so an uneasy peace has ensued. It’s not ideal, but it works well enough. Without nukes, both countries would have had multiple open conflicts.

 

[Raxus]

Thank you.
About the dumbest thing that we can do as citizens ot the USA is to believe our government’s propaganda that the USA’s arsonal of nuclear weapons is necessary for our safety.

Oh please. I can know that without any word from the government, thank you.

This arsonal is offensive to God, our Creator.

God talked to you alone and told you that, eh?

He has been patient and has saved us from blowing up the world several times already. But that forebearance won’t last much longer.

I don’t buy into the whole “vengeful God” thing, sorry.

We should follow the advice of the Catholic Bishops and get rid of the nukes while we still have time to do so.

The Bishops also know that we need to work toward the whole world getting it done, not just have the U.S. drop their defenses completely first.

Again, we as Catholics are not called to embrace idiocy.

 

[undead_rat]

The Bishops also know that we need to work toward the whole world getting it done, not just have the U.S. drop their defenses completely first.

Again, we as Catholics are not called to embrace idiocy.

If the choice is between unilateral nuclear disarmament and the unprecedented global disaster of a nuclear war between the USA and Russia, then the obvious choice is to disarm the USA’s nuclear weapons and take our chances living under the Russian nuclear umbrella.

The real “idiocy,” in my opinion, is to disregard all of the scriptural warnings regarding a global disaster of fire. In the face of these warnings we cannot afford to go on believing our government’s lie that nuclear weapons are required to keep us safe.

 

[niceatheist]

If there wasn’t a nuclear war by 1965, there’s not going to be one.

 

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[undead_rat]

With God, all things are possible, even nuclear war.

 

[niceatheist]

In God wants nuclear war, then what does it matter?

 

[Raxus]

If the choice is between unilateral nuclear disarmament and the unprecedented global disaster of a nuclear war between the USA and Russia, then the obvious choice is to disarm the USA’s nuclear weapons and take our chances living under the Russian nuclear umbrella.

I don’t accept your false dichotomy.

The real “idiocy,” in my opinion, is to disregard all of the scriptural warnings regarding a global disaster of fire.

There are no scripture warnings about nuclear war.

In the face of these warnings we cannot afford to go on believing our government’s lie that nuclear weapons are required to keep us safe.

I don’t engage in tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories.

 

[niceatheist]

Even if nuclear war is what Scripture is referring to, well if that’s what God has ordained, then it strikes me that that’s what He would make sure happens regardless of whether any or all nuclear powers disarmed. After all, Peter denied he’d betray Jesus, and did it anyway.

 

[upant]

Even if nuclear war is what Scripture is referring to, well if that’s what God has ordained, then it strikes me that that’s what He would make sure happens regardless of whether any or all nuclear powers disarmed. After all, Peter denied he’d betray Jesus, and did it anyway.

exactly,
the non believer sees the truth in the bible, but believers want to challenge God.
what God said will happen and we can not change it

 

[niceatheist]

I think that’s the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me