Universal background checks Dems' top priority

[Boatswain2PA]

I don’t know how thinking saying “we will kill you” to people who disagree politically is troubling is “derogatory”. And if you’re defending constitutional rights in the event the 2nd amendment is repealed gun ownership ceases to be a right.

I did not say “we will kill you”, I just changed your derogatory term for American culture into a more accurate one.

I will defend your God-given rights, some of which are declared in the Constitution.

Of course, at the base of all humanity (and especially politics) is a threat of violence. In totalitarian governments those in power must constantly use violence to keep the people in subjugation. In free governments, it is the underlaying threat of violence from the populace that keeps the government from becoming totalitarian.

In other words, we are FREEMEN. God gave us freedom, yet and to maintain our freedom from subjugation of other men we must be ready to use violence.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

It’s that sentiment that is keeping even the most reasonable gun control measures from being instituted.

Can you please give an example of “most reasonable gun control measures” that have not been implemented?

 

[lmachine]

I did not say “we will kill you”, I just changed your derogatory term for American culture into a more accurate one.

And it’s a telling example of gun culture that you object to the term “gun culture” in a response to a poster saying “we will kill you”. If you think those sorts of violent threats are just “American culture” that’s on you, but I think we as Americans can do better.

I will defend your God-given rights, some of which are declared in the Constitution.

Is gun ownership a God-given right? If I’m part of the movement to amend the Constitution to outlaw gun ownership and confiscate guns will you shoot me?

 

[Boatswain2PA]

As I said, you would only be held responsible if that person did not pass a background check, but you didn’t bother to check.

Lawyers would love this, and highlights why the Trial Lawyers Association gives almost exclusively to the Democrat party.

So if I sell you my personal property, yet you deceive me about who you are…am I still responsible?

What if you used a fake ID? What if the fake ID was poor quality? But what if I had no training on what is a good or bad fake ID? What if you had a great ID that said you were a male, but your obviously a female, yet you self-identify as as male. What if I refuse to sell my personal property to you because I doubt your gender-confusing identification…can you now sue me for violating your civil rights???

BTW - It is already illegal to sell a firearm too someone who is reasonably known to be a prohibited person…common sense gun laws already exist.

 

[lmachine]

What if you used a fake ID? What if the fake ID was poor quality? But what if I had no training on what is a good or bad fake ID? What if you had a great ID that said you were a male, but your obviously a female, yet you self-identify as as male. What if I refuse to sell my personal property to you because I doubt your gender-confusing identification…can you now sue me for violating your civil rights???

You go to a police station and have them verify the person’s identity. This isn’t rocket science.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

I’m working on my phone so cannot find the original posts, but I think your original reference was much more derogatory than simply referring to our “gun cultute”. Likewise, he didn’t simply say he was going to kill you, he was putting it in a context of self-defense.

Self-defense is a God-given right, which logically includes a means of self-defense. A very effective means, and often the only means, of self-defense is firearms.

 

[Raxus]

I’m praying every day for this.

I don’t own a firearm currently, but if I did, anyone that came and tried to take it away would get more than they bargained for. Thinking I should probably invest in ownership.

 

[lmachine]

I don’t own a firearm currently, but if I did, anyone that came and tried to take it away would get more than they bargained for. Thinking I should probably invest in ownership.

If you had a gun you’d shoot someone who tried to take it, but you don’t have a gun and want one? Please stop fantasizing about shooting someone and please don’t buy a gun.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

So if I sell you my personal property, yet you deceive me about who you are…am I still responsible?

If you follow the same procedure that gun stores are required to follow, then no. You would not be responsible.

But what if I had no training on what is a good or bad fake ID?

Either get the training, or find a broker who can help you. I’m sure the free-market system will generate a healthy gun-selling consultancy, probably as a sideline to actual gun stores.

What if I refuse to sell my personal property to you because…

Reasons for refusing to sell your gun are outside the scope of this issue. But I suspect you could refuse on whatever grounds you want.

BTW - It is already illegal to sell a firearm too someone who is reasonably known to be a prohibited person…common sense gun laws already exist.

Yes, it is illegal to do so. But without any gun registration, you will never be caught unless the criminal turns you in when he is caught. But likely he will sell it to someone else, so the chain back to you will be easily broken and LE will never know who performed the illegal sale.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

If you follow the same procedure that gun stores are required to follow, then no. You would not be responsible.

So I would have to get a federal firearms license to sell my personal property? What if I own a firearm and then get convicted of a felony, I wouldn’t be able to get able FFL in order to sell my property…

BTW - Already need a FFL if you sell 5 firearms a year.

Either get the training, or find a broker who can help you. I’m sure the free-market system will generate a healthy gun-selling consultancy, probably as a sideline to actual gun stores.

So I wouldn’t be able to sell my firearm without going to a government approved broker?

Would I be allowed to give my firearms away?

. But I suspect you could refuse on whatever grounds you want.

But in your increasing totalitarian state this is increasingly questionable. One is already prohibited from refusing to sell personalized cakes.

But without any gun registration, you will never be caught unless the criminal turns you in when he is caught. But likely he will sell it to someone else, so the chain back to you will be easily broken and LE will never know who performed the illegal sale.

And what would change with registration? Suddenly all 10,000 firearms I had stashed (sorry, don’t have serial numbers) have been stolen. Police report filed. Nope, no more guns in my house!

Meanwhile I could sell using the black market you describe.

Perfect example of how gun registration/grabbing would simply make many GOOD Americans criminals.

 

[lmachine]

So I wouldn’t be able to sell my firearm without going to a government approved broker?

Correct.

Would I be allowed to give my firearms away?

Of course. You would also of course have to do a background check on the person you were giving your gun to.

And what would change with registration? Suddenly all 10,000 firearms I had stashed (sorry, don’t have serial numbers) have been stolen. Police report filed. Nope, no more guns in my house!

You would face stiff criminal and financial penalties for illegally possessing guns. This is already the case in some states.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Ok. My opinion of your view is that of a totalitarian government that would not be tolerated in America.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

If you follow the same procedure that gun stores are required to follow, then no. You would not be responsible.

So I would have to get a federal firearms license to sell my personal property?

No. You would only have to comply with the background check requirements, or find someone who will do it for you. Most likely a gun shop. They have the necessary license and know-how.

What if I own a firearm and then get convicted of a felony, I wouldn’t be able to get able FFL in order to sell my property…

Not necessarily. You could take them to a gun shop who could sell them for you.

BTW - Already need a FFL if you sell 5 firearms a year.

Which only means something if you get caught.

Either get the training, or find a broker who can help you. I’m sure the free-market system will generate a healthy gun-selling consultancy, probably as a sideline to actual gun stores.

So I wouldn’t be able to sell my firearm without going to a government approved broker?

Would I be allowed to give my firearms away?

Yes, and yes only if the person you are giving them to could pass the background check.

. But I suspect you could refuse on whatever grounds you want.

But in your increasing totalitarian state this is increasingly questionable. One is already prohibited from refusing to sell personalized cakes.

If you want to talk about selling cakes go comment on the thread about selling cakes. There are several as I remember.

But without any gun registration, you will never be caught unless the criminal turns you in when he is caught. But likely he will sell it to someone else, so the chain back to you will be easily broken and LE will never know who performed the illegal sale.

And what would change with registration? Suddenly all 10,000 firearms I had stashed (sorry, don’t have serial numbers) have been stolen. Police report filed. Nope, no more guns in my house!

If those guns were registered then there would be a record of the serial numbers. As the guns started turning up in the commission of crimes, LE could investigate the old-fashioned way and see if someone admits to your willingly selling them. Then you would be charged for both illegal sales and filing a false police report.

 

[Ridgerunner]

This would require, I guess, that my grandson pass a background check before I can buy him his first .22 rifle. And the reason for it is that we don’t want to bother guarding the schools and think that preventing my grandson from having a .22 rifle will somehow protect school children.

 

[Road-Worrier]

We already have “universal background checks”. As far as I can tell, every firearm used in a mass shooting since Columbine was purchased by a person that passed a background check.

 

[Luke6_37]

A shame they don’t have better knowledge of America than they do. He’s one of the Italians who seems to think American Evangelicalism started in 1910.

Possibly he would do better to try to figure out why his countrymen don’t have children.

Always ready with the ad hominem attacks. It’s starting to look like your specialty.

I just listened to a great podcast by a group of British Evangelicals reflecting on the history of the movement and where to go from here now that Trump supporters who call themselves Evangelicals have basically trashed the label.

You should listen to it. It might wake you up to the truth of what is happening right before your eyes…

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[MidwestGuy]

Always ready with the ad hominem attacks. It’s starting to look like your specialty.
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You should listen to it. It might wake you up to the truth of what is happening right before your eyes…

Cannot you not see the irony of this post?

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

Always ready with the ad hominem attacks. It’s starting to look like your specialty.
…

You should listen to it. It might wake you up to the truth of what is happening right before your eyes…

Cannot you not see the irony of this post?

From the content of your post, it seems as if you do not understand what is meant by an ad hominem attack.

 

[Raxus]

If you had a gun you’d shoot someone who tried to take it, but you don’t have a gun and want one?

Please don’t accuse me of fantasizing or desiring to shoot people. Further comments along this line will be reported.

 

[MidwestGuy]

Your post attacking Ridgerunner is not ad hominem?