Universal catholic church and The Catholic church

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Gorgias said:
“Many will cry ‘Lord, Lord’”…
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“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

Kind of makes you wonder what exactly what they were doing in Jesus’ name.

There are people like that in every church.
 
steve-b said:
I only asked because your answers are very Protestant.
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I do?
steve-b said:
When you attend the Catholic Church, do you receive the Eucharist?
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yes.
steve-b said:
When, Judas messed up , did that give anyone the right to leave the Church THEN?
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Judas was never in the church, he turned his back on God when he killed himself instead of seeking God’s forgiveness.
steve-b said:
People “claiming” that JESUS is Lord, and they follow JESUS, and they accept JESUS, etc etc etc, and are NOT in His Church nor receiving His sacraments is a contradiction in terms, AND a contradiction of scripture that those same folks “say” , is their sole source of truth. They invent their own reality.
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still 2 different churches…

its not a contradiction. I’m starting to believe the church that Jesus built on Peter started when the Apostles accepted Jesus as their savior, when they choose to follow Him, then accepted the Eucharist (the body and blood) directly from Him.

The first stone of that church was placed when the Apostles received the Holy Spirit… then as the Apostles continued to do the will of God by spreading the Word the church grew. Just as Jesus wanted.

That was the foundation on which Peter built Jesus’ church from… that is the foundation that allowed God’s Will to be done… that is the church that makes us one with God. Any church that builds on that foundation is doing the God’s will is part of His church.

The Catholic church is one part of that church.

Nothing posted here really contradicts that… we are all part of God’s catholic universal church.

When the churches separated it wasn’t just messing up… people were destroying that foundation. They had to fix it.
 
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Justin_Mary said:
Just curious. If there was only one reason preventing you from seeing the Catholic Church as that Church, what would it be.

I understand the reality is there are many reasons. But if there was only one, which would it be?
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I don’t know… but if it is God’s will I accept this, it will happen… right?
Justin_Mary said:
I very much understand where you’re coming from. You & I are adopted sons of God. Brothers. But we are not united the way Jesus wants us to be united just because we say we are. Even if we truly “believe” it, doesn’t make it so.
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totally agree… doesn’t make it NOT so either.
Justin_Mary said:
Our Father wants something better for us. Something real. Something that will last.
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I know… He gave us His only Begotten Son to make it happen.

` John 3: 16-18
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that anyone who believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it. There is no eternal doom awaiting those who trust him to save them. But those who don’t trust him have already been tried and condemned for not believing in the only Son of God.

and

John 17:20-23`
“I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.

He does want us to have something real, something that last… His love, His mercy, His grace.
 
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annad347 said:
I don’t know… but if it is God’s will I accept this, it will happen… right?
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Not necessarily. It was God’s will that Israel would know Him. But many didn’t. They were, & many still are expecting who they unknowingly misunderstood God to be.

They knew the scriptures. Knew the law. But didn’t know God.
 
My soul proclaims the goodness of the Lord & my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour.

He has shown the strength of His arm. He has scattered the proud in their conceit.
 
@Justin_Mary, I thought someone was going to say it may be God’s will… but God’s gift of free will can make me deny it. If that’s the case I have a problem… but I have faith that God will guide me with the Holy Spirit. 🙂
Justin_Mary said:
Not necessarily. It was God’s will that Israel would know Him. But many didn’t. They were, & many still are expecting who they unknowingly misunderstood God to be.

They knew the scriptures. Knew the law. But didn’t know God.
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If they unknowingly misunderstood who God was… then you would think they more they learned about the scriptures, the law, they will begin to know who God is.

Isn’t that what I’m doing… learning as much as I can before I blindly placing myself into the hands of people who might lead me down a path God does not want me to go?
 
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annad347 said:
Isn’t that what I’m doing… learning as much as I can before I blindly placing myself into the hands of people who might lead me down a path God does not want me to go?
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I don’t know what you are doing. Looks like you’re trying to educate us, while saying you’re looking to be educated. Yes, faith alone saves us. But faith is more than saying I believe.

Paul tells us to be obedient to our superiors in the Church. The Church instituted by Christ. On Peter & the other 10 Apostles. Those Apostles who have been succeeded by the bishops of the Catholic Church & Patriarchs of the Orthodox Church.

The Catholic Church is the Body of Christ. Being fathered by the Father for all eternity.
 
annad347 said:
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steve-b:
I only asked because your answers are very Protestant.
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I do?
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Totally
steve-b said:
When you attend the Catholic Church, do you receive the Eucharist?
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annad347:
yes.
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I ask, because

you say you bounce around between Catholic and non-Catholic. If so, then you know, … right, that if you deliberately miss mass on Sunday, you commit a mortal sin?

In order to receive the Eucharist then, going to reconciliation first , is necessary.
steve-b said:
When, Judas messed up , did that give anyone the right to leave the Church THEN?
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annad347:
Judas was never in the church, he turned his back on God when he killed himself instead of seeking God’s forgiveness.
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Do you just make stuff up as you go along?
steve-b said:
People “claiming” that JESUS is Lord, and they follow JESUS, and they accept JESUS, etc etc etc, and are NOT in His Church nor receiving His sacraments is a contradiction in terms, AND a contradiction of scripture that those same folks “say” , is their sole source of truth. They invent their own reality.
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annad347:
still 2 different churches…
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Ecumenical speak aside,

No matter the stripe, Protestantism isn’t a church or churches.
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annad347:
its not a contradiction. I’m starting to believe the church that Jesus built on Peter started when the Apostles accepted Jesus as their savior, when they choose to follow Him, then accepted the Eucharist (the body and blood) directly from Him.

The first stone of that church was placed when the Apostles received the Holy Spirit… then as the Apostles continued to do the will of God by spreading the Word the church grew. Just as Jesus wanted.

That was the foundation on which Peter built Jesus’ church from… that is the foundation that allowed God’s Will to be done… that is the church that makes us one with God. Any church that builds on that foundation is doing the God’s will is part of His church.

The Catholic church is one part of that church.
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As I said, you make it up as you go along. That’s NOT Catholic
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annad347:
Nothing posted here really contradicts that… we are all part of God’s catholic universal church.
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Only those fully incorporate in, the Catholic Church, are in His Church.. I gave the links on this. But you don’t open links.
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annad347:
When the churches separated it wasn’t just messing up… people were destroying that foundation. They had to fix it.
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and heresies of history HERE wasn’t fixing anything.
 
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steve-b said:
Totally
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funny cause I don’t know what it means to be Protestant any more then I know what it means to be Catholic.

@Justin_Mary, I’m trying to be educated. I’m trying to figure out what it means to be Catholic? Why am I Catholic?
steve-b said:
you say you bounce around between Catholic and non-Catholic. If so, then you know, … right, that if you deliberately miss mass on Sunday, you commit a mortal sin?
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I work on Sunday, its hard for me to get the whole day off, sometime I have to skip my Weight Watchers meeting to go to church.

who is the Director of Faith Formation?
steve-b said:
Do you just make stuff up as you go along?
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Of course I’m making things up, there’s nothing biblical to what I said. I said I’m starting to think, its not real.

but in service on Wednesday (if you have the Magnificat it was on Oct 23). The service was about how the church is within us, each individual person. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit… united as one within each of us, not a physical place with 4 walls.

Though that last link you posted was VERY interesting… you see I click and read it. Thank you.

although, if you go back in this thread others say that the catholic universal church includes all christian church.
ArchStanton said:
He was one of the original 12 bishops
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I thought he meant the other Judas… Judas Iscariot.
 
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Yes, Judas the one who betrayed Christ, was one of the original 12 bishops
 
I would suppose the same way Matthias was an apostle/bishop [in Acts 1] prior to the HS in Acts 2
 
ArchStanton said:
I would suppose the same way Matthias was an apostle/bishop [in Acts 1] prior to the HS in Acts 2
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wasn’t he the guy who they drew straws to replace Judas at the end of Act 1 and then in Act 2 they all received the Holy Spirit?
 
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Yes…the prerequisite being one who accompanied the Lord and was there after His resurrection
 
Peter states that his (Judas’ bishoprick/office) would have succession … Mathias takes the place of Judas and his office [bishoprick)
 
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