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Bishoprick … office … succeeded by Matthias prior to Acts 2 [HS]
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annad347
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I’m sorry but I don’t understand what you’re trying to tell me… how can Judas be part of the church if he did NOT receive the Holy Spirit? I’m not talking about his title or the work he did that was given to someone else… I’m talking about being part of the church… he killed himself before any of the Apostles received the Holy Spirit.Bishoprick … office … succeeded by Matthias prior to Acts 2 [HS]
Jesus told them not to leave until they received it… its an important part of become part of the church… Judas was already dead, so how was he part of the church?
and what is HS?
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HS - holy spirit
Acts 1:25 mentions the apostleship that Matthias received
Acts 1:25 mentions the apostleship that Matthias received
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annad347
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I still don’t understand what that has to do with Judas being part of the church.HS - holy spirit
Acts 1:25 mentions the apostleship that Matthias received
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ArchStanton
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Just as Peter was given the keys of authority in [Mt 16] prior to the H S in Acts 2 …wouldn’t you agree that Peter was in the church at that time?
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I don’t know, but if he was then why would Jesus tell them to stay where they were until they received the Holy Spirit before they went out into the world to start preaching and baptizing everyone in The Father, The Son and Holy Spirit?Just as Peter was given the keys of authority in [Mt 16] prior to the H S in Acts 2 …wouldn’t you agree that Peter was in the church at that time?
do you think the church was formed when they accepted the body and blood of Christ… I think Judas participated in that… or did he leave first and then Jesus gave the disciples, His body and blood?
yea he was there.
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I think Acts 1:8 [about receiving power from the holy spirit] would be different than being in Christ’s Church… sorry that I am not able to supply actual verses…using phone and have all my bible verse on the laptop at work
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Its okay.I think Acts 1:8 [about receiving power from the holy spirit] would be different than being in Christ’s Church… sorry that I am not able to supply actual verses…using phone and have all my bible verse on the laptop at work
so if the church was already started then Judas was part of the church, but when he betrayed Jesus, then killed himself… wouldn’t that be a sign he turned his back on God. Assuming he never asked for forgiveness for his sins before he died, wouldn’t that be an act of leaving the church… turning your back God?
No rush in answering I have to work tomorrow so I have to go to bed… good night.
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Blessings!
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@ItsMeAgain, totally agree.
So that would mean any church who states Jesus Christ is the head of their church is part of the universal catholic church. I mean any Christian church that truly accept Jesus Christ as the head of the church, not just by saying it and poof all is well but by obeying His commandments, His will and OBEYS Him. right?Jesus Christ is head of the one true church-- the pope is in charge of the Catholic Church
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Jesus Christ is the head of the one true Church: the Catholic Church. The Pope is its leader on earth.Jesus Christ is head of the one true church-- the pope is in charge of the Catholic Church
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There’s a sign down the street that says Church of Christ. But it’s not. There’s another that says 1st Baptist Church… but the street isn’t 10 years old.I mean any Christian church that truly accept Jesus Christ as the head of the church, not just by saying it and poof all is well but by obeying His commandments, His will and OBEYS Him. right?
Just because they say they follow Jesus & believe it, like the Nazi’s & the KKK doesn’t make it so.
Jesus said, “on you I will build my Church” to Peter. He told His disciples, “do this in remembrance of me.” He told the disciple whom he loves, “behold your mother.”
How can one not do any of the things Jesus told us to do, but be obedient to Him & submit to His will.
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If Im not specifically attending a Catholic church that means I’m not being obdient to God?How can one not do any of the things Jesus told us to do, but be obedient to Him & submit to His will.
Cause other Catholic would say that isnt true… any more then if Im not Catholic Im not able to receive savation.
They say that Cathoic documents makes exceptions for other churchs because they follow Jesus, because Jesus is the head if their church.
And you’re right that’s not the case for all churches… so you have to be careful which church you attend.
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They would be wrong. It is a mortal sin if you miss mass on Sunday.Cause other Catholic would say that isnt true…
That’s not correct, especially if you know & understand Catholic teaching. We’re baptized into Christ, we’re adopted sons of God.They say that Cathoic documents makes exceptions for other churchs because they follow Jesus, because Jesus is the head if their church.
But if a man tells his two sons to go wash the car, one says, “Yes father, I will do it.” But don’t. He other son says he won’t was the car, but does. Which son did the father’s will?
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that was said in the Catholic class I’m taking and by other Catholics on this board.That’s not correct, especially if you know & understand Catholic teaching. We’re baptized into Christ, we’re adopted sons of God.
Well they both lied to their father, unless the second one was joking when he told his father no, he’s not washing the car. But I would guess the one who actually washed the car did what his father 's will, by washing the car.But if a man tells his two sons to go wash the car, one says, “Yes father, I will do it.” But don’t. He other son says he won’t was the car, but does. Which son did the father’s will?
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That’s a Protestant notion.although, if you go back in this thread others say that the catholic universal church includes all christian church.
But Keep asking away.
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I think I would say “Judas was one of the original twelve apostles,” rather than bishops. You would have to make the case that Judas was present for the command “do this in memory of me” in order to assert ‘bishop’, and the question of whether Judas was present for the Eucharist at the Last Supper is very much an unresolved issue among Scripture scholars.Yes, Judas the one who betrayed Christ, was one of the original 12 bishops
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BTW - The Mystical Body of Christ includes more people
than for instance are members of the Catholic Church
(whether living, dead or in Heaven).
For, according to Catholic Teachings - It can indeed include Non-Catholics…
The Body of Christ - The Temple of God’s Holy Spirit
REF: Mystici Corporis - Pope Pius XII (Plus other areas of Catholic Teachings as well)
103. As you know, Venerable Brethren, from the very beginning of Our Pontificate, We have committed to the protection and guidance of heaven those who do not belong to the visible Body of the Catholic Church, solemnly declaring that after the example of the Good Shepherd We desire nothing more ardently than that they may have life and have it more abundantly.[194] Imploring the prayers of the whole Church We wish to repeat this solemn declaration in this Encyclical Letter in which We have proclaimed the praises of the “great and glorious Body of Christ”[195] and from a heart overflowing with love We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation.[196] For even though by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church. Therefore may they enter into Catholic unity and, joined with Us in the one, organic Body of Jesus Christ, may they together with us run on to the one Head in the Society of glorious love.[197] Persevering in prayer to the Spirit of love and truth, We wait for them with open and outstretched arms to come not to a stranger’s house, but to their own, their father’s home.
than for instance are members of the Catholic Church
(whether living, dead or in Heaven).
For, according to Catholic Teachings - It can indeed include Non-Catholics…
The Body of Christ - The Temple of God’s Holy Spirit
REF: Mystici Corporis - Pope Pius XII (Plus other areas of Catholic Teachings as well)
103. As you know, Venerable Brethren, from the very beginning of Our Pontificate, We have committed to the protection and guidance of heaven those who do not belong to the visible Body of the Catholic Church, solemnly declaring that after the example of the Good Shepherd We desire nothing more ardently than that they may have life and have it more abundantly.[194] Imploring the prayers of the whole Church We wish to repeat this solemn declaration in this Encyclical Letter in which We have proclaimed the praises of the “great and glorious Body of Christ”[195] and from a heart overflowing with love We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation.[196] For even though by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church. Therefore may they enter into Catholic unity and, joined with Us in the one, organic Body of Jesus Christ, may they together with us run on to the one Head in the Society of glorious love.[197] Persevering in prayer to the Spirit of love and truth, We wait for them with open and outstretched arms to come not to a stranger’s house, but to their own, their father’s home.
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You keep me asking, thank you.But Keep asking away
Maybe I should look into a Protestant church, if I believe its part of God’s church.
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If the Catholic Church – that is, the Church built on the foundation of Christ’s teaching and the grant of Jesus’ authority on the apostles – is the Church that Jesus gave us to lead us into all holiness, then why look into a Protestant denomination, which teaches things that differ from the Church Jesus founded?Maybe I should look into a Protestant church?
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