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No…you are mixing up the topics with Terenty Dushkin of Alaska.
He was ordained a reader, not elevated to be a cardinal.

I’d tread lighter, if I were you.

Btw, I support Bishop Job and others on this issue.
I was talking about ethnic cleansing.
So was I.

Any reason the horseman in the new sig is black?
 
After destruction of much of the infrastructure of Serbia, the central government withdrew its troops and police from Kosovo.
Yep, that’s true. Systematic destruction of civilian infrastructure was the most obvious and gravest war crime of Crusades, oops, NATO, to which only individuals in morally corrupted West reacted.
globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3716
Low Intensity Nuclear War
NATO War Crimes in the Balkans
by Michel Chossudovsky
michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.html
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/775088.stm
Nato escapes war crimes probe
fair.org/extra/9907/kosovo-crimes.html
How U.S. Media Supported War Crimes in Yugoslavia
slobodan-milosevic.org/nato.htm
NATO WAR CRIMES
counterpunch.org/uncrimes.html
balkan-archive.org.yu/kosovo_crisis/nato/crimes/
and further plentitude
google.com/search?q=NATO+war+crimes+Yugoslavia&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

Here tenc.net/interviews/keys.htm is the interview witnessing that the Albanians were not been “expelled” by Yugoslav Army, than fleed out of NATO bombing, some 100.000 of them to Serbia proper. BTW, the interviewed is a Jew, whom was expelled from Kosovo after NATO entered there.
After many cease-fire violations (mostly by Serbian forces) and a massacre of 45 unarmed ethnic Albanian civilians by Serbian forces in the village of Racak on 1999-JAN-15, the situation degenerated seriously.
The above casus beli against Yugoslavia was proved hoax
srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Racak/Articles/WarHawk.html
Kosovo massacre was faked
though few media dared to report it
wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/walk-j20.shtml
William Walker’s role as provocateur

Walker’s silences and evasions over the activities of the KLA were again brought out when Milosevic asked if he had read the March 12, 2000 article in the Sunday Times entitled, “CIA aided Kosovo guerrilla army”. Walker said he had not. The article explained how US intelligence agents helped train the KLA before NATO’s bombing of Yugoslavia. The CIA were ceasefire monitors in Kosovo in 1998 and 1999, while they were giving the KLA training manuals and field advice.
wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/icty-j03.shtml
wsws.org/articles/2001/jul2001/milo-j04.shtml

Well, that’s not the first time Walker was conducting undercover operation covertaction.org/content/view/85/75/

Regarding Racak, that was casus beli, the team of Finnish forensic pathologist was summoned to witness at the trial against late Milosevic, but Mrs. Ranta, as the leader of the team was spared from witness and cross-examination, only the team members witnessed. They denied they ever mentioned “massacre of civilians”, since the body count showed 42 dead, 42 of whom in military uniforms while one civilian, present at the time of attack in fortification, while none of them shot by close fire (that would amount to shooting after they surrendered), or killed by knife. Only shots from couple dozens to couple hundreds metters. Pure and sound military action against rebells, with one possible “collateral damage”.
See the transcripts of the trial of those three days of their witnesseth:
un.org/icty/transe54/050408IT.htm
un.org/icty/transe54/050412IT.htm
un.org/icty/transe54/050413IT.htm
Pity the Secretary of Vatican State, who announced “masscre” and “civillians” even before pathologist hold the press conference has not been summoned to testify
zenit.org/english/archive/9901/ZE990121.html
VATICAN CALLS FOR DISARMING OF AGGRESSORS IN KOSOVO
Profound Concern Over Gravity of Situation
VATICAN CITY, JAN 21 (ZENIT).- In an interview with the Italian daily ‘Corriere della Sera,’ Cardinal Angelo Sodano, Secretary of State for the Holy See, said the massacre of civilians in Kosovo has made that region the subject of extreme concern among Vatican diplomats. The Cardinal went on to say that “those who have the ability” – in particular the leaders of the international community --, should “separate the adversaries” in Kosovo, where ethnic Albanians, seeking greater autonomy for self-government, have been routed by Serbian forces representing the government of Yugoslavia, which controls Kosovo. The Vatican Secretary of State said that international leaders should “disarm the aggressor” in the Kosovo conflict.
Yet, disclosure of Vatican documents has been demanded by Dr. Vojislav Seselj, accusing Vatican and Germany as forces behind ghe breakup of Yugoslavia in his trial before ICTY, so we’ll see what will happen with that.
dw-world.de/dw/function/0,12356_cid_2881604,00.html?maca=de-rss-de-news-1089-rdf
It’s in German, so try with some online translator.

Personally, I hope he’d not explain the reason he was absolutely the first one, not to mention the first one among the state officials of any state, that mentioned “massacre of civilians” subsequently proved hoax, thus inciting death of many and destruction of a coutry, by “spirit” or “vision”.

So, it goes the same as the reason why you excommunicated us nearly thousand years ago
acad.carleton.edu/curricular/MARS/Schism.pdf
like Valesians, they castrate their guests and promote them not only to the clergy but to the episcopacy;
Fallacy. Hoax. Propaganda. Lie.

Nothing new under the Sun.
 
Yep, that’s true. Systematic destruction of civilian infrastructure was the most obvious and gravest war crime of Crusades, oops, NATO, to which only individuals in morally corrupted West reacted.
globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3716

michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.html
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/775088.stm

fair.org/extra/9907/kosovo-crimes.html

slobodan-milosevic.org/nato.htm

counterpunch.org/uncrimes.html
balkan-archive.org.yu/kosovo_crisis/nato/crimes/
and further plentitude
google.com/search?q=NATO+war+crimes+Yugoslavia&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

Here tenc.net/interviews/keys.htm is the interview witnessing that the Albanians were not been “expelled” by Yugoslav Army, than fleed out of NATO bombing, some 100.000 of them to Serbia proper. BTW, the interviewed is a Jew, whom was expelled from Kosovo after NATO entered there.

The above casus beli against Yugoslavia was proved hoax
srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Racak/Articles/WarHawk.html

though few media dared to report it
wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/walk-j20.shtml

wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/icty-j03.shtml
wsws.org/articles/2001/jul2001/milo-j04.shtml

Well, that’s not the first time Walker was conducting undercover operation covertaction.org/content/view/85/75/

Regarding Racak, that was casus beli, the team of Finnish forensic pathologist was summoned to witness at the trial against late Milosevic, but Mrs. Ranta, as the leader of the team was spared from witness and cross-examination, only the team members witnessed. They denied they ever mentioned “massacre of civilians”, since the body count showed 42 dead, 42 of whom in military uniforms while one civilian, present at the time of attack in fortification, while none of them shot by close fire (that would amount to shooting after they surrendered), or killed by knife. Only shots from couple dozens to couple hundreds metters. Pure and sound military action against rebells, with one possible “collateral damage”.
See the transcripts of the trial of those three days of their witnesseth:
un.org/icty/transe54/050408IT.htm
un.org/icty/transe54/050412IT.htm
un.org/icty/transe54/050413IT.htm
Pity the Secretary of Vatican State, who announced “masscre” and “civillians” even before pathologist hold the press conference has not been summoned to testify

Yet, disclosure of Vatican documents has been demanded by Dr. Vojislav Seselj, accusing Vatican and Germany as forces behind ghe breakup of Yugoslavia in his trial before ICTY, so we’ll see what will happen with that.
dw-world.de/dw/function/0,12356_cid_2881604,00.html?maca=de-rss-de-news-1089-rdf
It’s in German, so try with some online translator.

Personally, I hope he’d not explain the reason he was absolutely the first one, not to mention the first one among the state officials of any state, that mentioned “massacre of civilians” subsequently proved hoax, thus inciting death of many and destruction of a coutry, by “spirit” or “vision”.

So, it goes the same as the reason why you excommunicated us nearly thousand years ago

Fallacy. Hoax. Propaganda. Lie.

Nothing new under the Sun.
I’m assuming that your request for “proof” of recent past (within the last two decades)
and present (today) abuses in Kosovo was satisfied then.
 
Bro, thank you so much for your defense of the truth. I can’t express my delight for having such a brother.

Now, to respond to
“Do not suppose that I came to bring peace to the earth:
I did not come to bring peace but a sword.”
Matthew 10:34
and to remind that it is true: He came with the sword against sin, to destroy sin by His sword. The lie is among the worst sins. We know who is the father if all lies.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
BTW, today is 66 years from Drakulic butchery of Ustase.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Filipovi%C4%87
On 7 February 1942, they raided the Serb Orthodox villages of Drakulići, Šargovac and Motike located near the city.
 
Well, hello.
Doesn’t match, so the most “obvious” incidents to me had to be the sexual abuse scandal in Croatia.
I don’t know anything about it.
There was no ethnic cleansing sanctioned by The Church.
There wasn’t any sanctioned by Patriarch Pavle.
The Knight exemplifies truth, chilvary, etc…Black, coincidence…it was one of the smallest pictures I could put. But since you bring up “black”, it could be like a hard-core Priest with the armor of God. 😃
Peace of God?
 
I have read enough post implying that the Catholic Church is not the Church established by Jesus.

At this monent, I will accpet that this statement is correct, could anyone please enlighten me WHO, WHERE AND WHEN it was established. Did she applied to any government agencies to legalize its existance?

Please include the Orthodox Church in your explanation since in my view, the Catholic Church under the Pope and the Orthodox Churches under the Patriachs remains truly one Church separated by historical events.

This is the same of two quarelling brothers, there will be no heated issue that can dissolve the fact that they came from the same parents.
 
I think we’re starting to get off topic…oh wait, that’s right, there is no topic 😉

We should just make every thread an unstructured one. Of course, then you won’t be able to tell them apart…Unstructured Thread II coming up…😃
 
I think we’re starting to get off topic…oh wait, that’s right, there is no topic 😉

We should just make every thread an unstructured one. Of course, then you won’t be able to tell them apart…Unstructured Thread II coming up…😃
It’s not that unstructured, and you’re still talking about Peter:p?
 
I have read enough post implying that the Catholic Church is not the Church established by Jesus.

At this monent, I will accpet that this statement is correct, could anyone please enlighten me WHO, WHERE AND WHEN it was established. Did she applied to any government agencies to legalize its existance?

Please include the Orthodox Church in your explanation since in my view, the Catholic Church under the Pope and the Orthodox Churches under the Patriachs remains truly one Church separated by historical events.

This is the same of two quarelling brothers, there will be no heated issue that can dissolve the fact that they came from the same parents.
Well, when Jesus established His Church with The Apostles, were the Apostles co-leaders with Jesus or was Jesus the Head of The Church?

Now, did anything change when Jesus left The Apostles?

Were there any “innovations” by established by Christ (like, “ok, when I established The Church, it had a leader, but now, there will be no leader” said?)?

Look at how Jesus ran His ministry…“that” is how The Church is supposed to be.
 
I think we’re starting to get off topic…oh wait, that’s right, there is no topic 😉

We should just make every thread an unstructured one. Of course, then you won’t be able to tell them apart…Unstructured Thread II coming up…😃
Trust me! You dont’ want “another” unstructured thread.
It opens up the conversation to freedom of speech big time,
but debate losers use it to go off topic more than usual…

…in fact, I’d say they do it ramapantly.

That’s why I had to actually go start “structured” threads to nail them to the wall on the topics being discussed. With no where to go, they had to cease and desist.

I’m not going to say any names,
but I guarantee you that they,
like a deer during hunting season with Christmas Lights on their antlers,
will reveal themselves.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

(And 5, 4, 3,…)
 
Well, when Jesus established His Church with The Apostles, were the Apostles co-leaders with Jesus or was Jesus the Head of The Church?

Now, did anything change when Jesus left The Apostles?

Were there any “innovations” by established by Christ (like, “ok, when I established The Church, it had a leader, but now, there will be no leader” said?)?

Look at how Jesus ran His ministry…“that” is how The Church is supposed to be.
I agree with you that the Church today is not being ran exectly how Jesus. If Jesus is still with us personally leading His Church, do you think He will still be doing the same way during the 1st century? It is certainly not. His approach will always be updated in the current situation. I mean, he uttered the words 2000 years ago without the issue on abortion, nuclear weapon, sex change, genetic engineering and so much more. However, we will agree that He will be doing the right way.

Unfortunately, his ministry last only three years. do you think he did not anticipated the issues i mentioned? I know you will say that He is all knowing God. He saw it coming.

How the church is being ran today is the result of developent. We dont stop at year 63AD, we have to move on as well as the Church that He established. I dont know but the pornoucemant of the succesors of St. Peter is being noted all over the world. Christians and non-Christians alike!
 
I agree with you that the Church today is not being ran exectly how Jesus. If Jesus is still with us personally leading His Church, do you think He will still be doing the same way during the 1st century? It is certainly not. His approach will always be updated in the current situation. I mean, he uttered the words 2000 years ago without the issue on abortion, nuclear weapon, sex change, genetic engineering and so much more. However, we will agree that He will be doing the right way.

Unfortunately, his ministry last only three years. do you think he did not anticipated the issues i mentioned? I know you will say that He is all knowing God. He saw it coming.

How the church is being ran today is the result of developent. We dont stop at year 63AD, we have to move on as well as the Church that He established. I dont know but the pornoucemant of the succesors of St. Peter is being noted all over the world. Christians and non-Christians alike!
It’s like having children, promising to take them to an amusement park, but leaving them in the paking lot alone without an adult to get them into the amusement park. 🙂
 
It’s like having children, promising to take them to an amusement park, but leaving them in the paking lot alone without an adult to get them into the amusement park. 🙂
Is that your idea of the church?
 
Jesus did not want individualism He wants unity, One faith, One Church, One Lord.

Matthew 7:13- “Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life, and few there are that find it ”
  1. Luke 13:24- “Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able.”
    Scripture also teaches that almost the entire world lies in darkness, so much so that Satan is even called the “prince”
 
The Amusement Park is Heaven.

The Parent is Jesus.

We are the children.

He wouldn’t make us a promise of Heaven and
leave us without someone to help us get “into” Heaven.
I like the idea! Let us remind ourselves that our Faith teaches us not to focus only in getting into heaven which is after life on earth. Heaven starts here and now. What in store for us in heaven are also available on earth. Why?

Beacause we know in heaven, people love one another, no greed, no envy nor suffering. People know only love for God and brothers and sisters. Do you think these things are not possible here on earth? Heaven is here on earth. We have one common enemy that keeps us to realize this!

May the peace of our Lord be with you.
 
Is the Partriach Bartholomew “their” supreme leader Jimmy?

And if he is, doesn’t this make him their “pope”?
It sure looks that way, what else could it mean? The head of the Orthodox Church is called the “First Among Equals”. Isn’t the Pope, technically the ‘First Among Equals" in the Catholic Church? ” Maybe one of our Orthodox brothers can explain the difference.

This gives me hope that we might be closer to reuniting than I had previously thought. If the Orthodox Church can accept the concept of leader and the necessity of unity and a “chain of command”, maybe they are ready to once again accept a “Pope: instead of a “First Among Equals” as the leader of one Church. We can only hope. ******.👍 ****

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