Unsupportive Father: How Much Blessing is Needed?

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I’m currious with the way you portray your father why you would even invite and or care about his toljas.
Because I’m a rebel on the sense of leaning more traditionally and would like at least a grudging ‘ok fine… You can marry him’ instead of a source of constant conflict that may affect the grandchildren.

Not to mention my poor mother. 😦
 
Because I’m a rebel on the sense of leaning more traditionally and would like at least a grudging ‘ok fine… You can marry him’** instead of a source of constant conflict that may affect the grandchildren.**

Not to mention my poor mother. 😦
What are the odds of this being possible at all?

I mean from the description you have mostly given, he is seemingly to only maybe approve of anyone after you are married or about to be.

And then perhaps only after like 5 years of solid success? With occasional remarks about anything he could pick at?

Sounds a bit like the evil mother in law of cliché nature only man version:

“Oh it took 3 days for him to fix the car?? Pfft pathetic”

Or

Silvershadow: “Dad! My husband made second in sales this month we are getting free tickets to X”

Dad: “Second? I knew he was a loser, couldn’t win the cruise huh?”

Of course this would possibly still be going on when you are a grandparent yourself lol.
 
Because I’m a rebel on the sense of leaning more traditionally and would like at least a grudging ‘ok fine… You can marry him’ instead of a source of constant conflict that may affect the grandchildren.

Not to mention my poor mother. 😦
You are describing a controlling man who abuses you psychologically.
You should be concerned about grandchildren and your mom, though not in the way you think.

Be very very careful however that this new guy not be the example of a man you have portrayed your father as.

I’m not sure what help we can be. You seem angry with him, you seem to know his behaviour is wrong and damaging but yet you seem unwilling to do anything about it. Asking only how you can make him a completely different person than what you say he is…
 
Ok…

Not sure how relevant those examples are, LM, but if he continues to make a disapproving nuisance of himself, I’m not going to want to bring the kids around. 🤷

Eh, best part is, my PS lives far away and is staying there. I gotta go to him…

And my father doesn’t like long car rides. :whistle: :dancing:
 
You are describing a controlling man who abuses you psychologically.
You should be concerned about grandchildren and your mom, though not in the way you think.

Be very very careful however that this new guy not be the example of a man you have portrayed your father as.

I’m not sure what help we can be. You seem angry with him, you seem to know his behaviour is wrong and damaging but yet you seem unwilling to do anything about it. Asking only how you can make him a completely different person than what you say he is…
Uhhhh… No. :confused:

I’m having an open discussion and asking for other POVs. Not a battle plan… I already got some new and helpful (name removed by moderator)ut. I also think it’s helpful just to lay things out and see how they look on paper, so to speak.

Interesting that you mention ‘image of my father’ - I’m well aware of that trap, and I can see what is good in my father and what is not. (If he wasn’t he, I wouldn’t be the me my PS likes…) And I actually think some of my father’s dislike stems from my PS being a much upgraded version of male provider compared to him… :rolleyes:

No one is perfect - we’ll both have to deal with stuff - but I’m not marrying a stand-in for Dad, not on any planet or in any lifetime. :dts:
 
Uhhhh… No. :confused:

I’m having an open discussion and asking for other POVs. Not a battle plan… I already got some new and helpful (name removed by moderator)ut. I also think it’s helpful just to lay things out and see how they look on paper, so to speak.

Interesting that you mention ‘image of my father’ - I’m well aware of that trap, and I can see what is good in my father and what is not. (If he wasn’t he, I wouldn’t be the me my PS likes…) And I actually think some of my father’s dislike stems from my PS being a much upgraded version of male provider compared to him… :rolleyes:

No one is perfect - we’ll both have to deal with stuff - but I’m not marrying a stand-in for Dad, not on any planet or in any lifetime. :dts:
Well good luck then…
 
I’m not asking for specific advice, like whether I should or shouldn’t date him - because I’m going to anyway - but just looking for some POVs and anecdotes, maybe a discussion of just how important a paternal blessing is to a marriage/relationship…

My mother is supportive and sympathetic and helpful and not enabling… I just wish I could count on my father that way, as well. 😦
FWIW - My parents, while liking my spouse-to-be, had issues about the wedding (as they had about my college graduation). They fussed about whether it would be too hot, too much walking, too crowded, too expensive (we paid for it all ourselves), too…whatever. They made many remarks about the planning, the decisions and so forth.

In the end I did the only thing I could, I calmly but forcefully (with a touch of humor) said: Here’s the time, here’s the place, here’s the plan - be there or don’t be there - your choice, but you’re not doing it, you’re not paying for it, so you don’t get to say anything but congratulations. :rolleyes:

In the end they skipped the college graduation, but guilt (and I suspect Dad’s love of cake) got them to the wedding.

Ditto this for all following “life events” - births, baptisms, kids graduation, so forth. Always the disparaging remarks, the complaints, the reluctance, the suggestions of a ‘better’ idea (that were usually ludicrous). 🤷 In the end, they attended about 1/3rd of the time.

And in the end, I’ve (hopefully) learned from their attitude and have tried to actively embrace, enjoy and participate in whatever my own adult kids come up with - even if I have concerns or worries. I try to gently express any concerns I have regarding their plans, but only once - and I try to do so with respect.

So in the end - yes, we all want our parent’s support and blessing. But sometimes, for whatever reason, it’s just not in them to give. However we can learn from that and try to do better for the next generation.

And that’s my story (and I’m sticking to it 😃 )
 
You’re pretty much right.

The irony is, I grew up on so many old movies, that world seems pretty real to me, too. I’m not even close to as techie-modern-addicted as most people my age. I’m simply proficient…and he’s not. :rolleyes:
Since your mom thinks this new fellow is OK, keep looking into whether he might be a good prospect without worrying about whether your father will ever like him. If you find him to be a good man and you marry him as a result, the chances are pretty good that your dad will warm up to him. Your task is to assess him just as carefully regardless of how your father, working on far less information than you have, decides to judge him so early on.

Your mom is going to be more useful than your dad in coming to that conclusion. You’ve been wise to get to know him in the context of your other friendships, too. If you have friends who will ask you about a guy who does not treat you as well as he should or who doesn’t seem to be what he says, value that. Make yourself think about that. That will make it far less likely that you’ll jump in to a predatory relationship, a rash decision, or even an “almost right” that would have been wrong for you. If your mother and your friends can confirm the good conclusions you reach, though, I would not worry too much if your father is the lone hold-out, not when he jumped so quickly to an unfavorable conclusion. If your dad doesn’t come around after you and then your mom and all your friends do, be patient, have a sense of humor, and stand your ground on your boundaries. I think you’ll do just fine.
 
When you get your own place someday, you will probably enjoy it and wish you had done so sooner. You can come and go as you please, date whom you wish, think for yourself.

When you get your own place, you will probably wish you had done it sooner. It is much easier to determine what you really want in life and set goals.

In that instance, life will seem so peaceful. Sometimes girls in the “good ole days” married just to get away from a unhappy environment. If it worked out, that was the way to go. Sometimes if there was conflict at home, many of them would live at their college dorm, if they could, if they were still in school. Some might consider the military or joining a convent of nuns.

If life at home was idyllic, no one would ever leave. It’s something to think about.
 
Moving out could be a solution. Parents automatically have less chances to express disapproval when you no longer live at home.
You may even find that the relationship with your father improves. “Absence makes the heart grow fonder” as they say.
 
If life at home was idyllic, no one would ever leave. It’s something to think about.
My Grandparents house must have been perfect, I had an uncle who stayed at home until 53…and only left because he received the boot…finally :confused: LOL
 
Hey, on the upside…

I get to feel all rebel without actually doing anything wrong :rolleyes:
 
You are 25, time to move out unless there is some physical condition, or other hindering you from this.

Get a full time job that allows you to pay rent and cover your necessary expenses… and move out.

I moved out from my parent’s house at 23.
 
You are 25, time to move out unless there is some physical condition, or other hindering you from this.

Get a full time job that allows you to pay rent and cover your necessary expenses… and move out.

I moved out from my parent’s house at 23.
It can really depend on the particular person, even among siblings in the same family.

I’d say that when you find yourself boring your friends with how oppressive it is to live at your parents’ house or making yourself a pain in the hind end for everyone living in the house because the house rules are simply a bad fit for you, it is time to move. If you’d like to host parties and can’t do that in the manner you’d like, which you could do if you moved, it is time to move out. I have even known a guy who moved out because he was making a better salary than his peers, he was getting tired of getting hit up for money, and decided he wanted the “out” of saying he had a mortgage payment. (It is now about, oh, 30 years later. He is still living in the house he bought to start his investing life.) Other brothers in the same family stayed home until they were about six or even ten years older, and they did fine, too.

Do not, however, think that just because your older sibling does fine still living at home that it is right for you. Part of adulthood is making the decision that works for you, not forcing yourself into a pattern that works great for someone else, and taking it as a matter of course that there is rarely a life of decision-making without an occasional regret. Do your best and accept the consequences as what you got by doing the best you knew at the time.

If your parents have always been, in retrospect, controlling or grumpy or too given to negativity, accept that this is probably a lifetime pattern. If, however, this is a relatively recent phenomenon, you can hope that maybe your parent isn’t adjusting very well to your adulthood. That does not mean he/she never will. Just as parents have to be patient with children who do not transition to adulthood and its new roles instantaneously, so children becoming adults need to have a bit of patience with parents. Be an adult, stick to your boundaries, but expect that if you do it with grace you may get another brand-new pleasurable relationship with your parents in the future. This stage, too, may just pass.
 
And in moving out if you grow up overly confined and hindered you need to approach it with a maximum battle plan if you are not knowledgeable of the world. It can be helpful to have a successful friend etc.

And to ensure that one does not run amuck with new found freedoms. I have seen quite a few overly controlled and sheltered go Berserk.

My fav example was a guy who was a strong Christian (prot) but all around American Boy goody goody. After about a year of experiencing life outside his bubble this “No sex before marriage, no drinking” kind of guy…

Had knocked up a chick and was a borderline alcoholic, drinking a few before work…work where it would be considered highly unacceptable to penalty of laws…

Plan ahead and make sure if you are going to be involved with this guy or anyother, that they are not prone to drag you into such a life of debauchery as when one leaves their family’s nest they sometimes latch on to dangerous things. So if he is like a drug kinda guy etc “then danger Will Robinson danger”

Your earlier description:

“Good job. Owns a house. Stable situation.”

Does not sound like that, but always good to advise all possibilities 🙂
 
And in moving out if you grow up overly confined and hindered you need to approach it with a maximum battle plan if you are not knowledgeable of the world. It can be helpful to have a successful friend etc.

And to ensure that one does not run amuck with new found freedoms. I have seen quite a few overly controlled and sheltered go Berserk.

My fav example was a guy who was a strong Christian (prot) but all around American Boy goody goody. After about a year of experiencing life outside his bubble this “No sex before marriage, no drinking” kind of guy…

Had knocked up a chick and was a borderline alcoholic, drinking a few before work…work where it would be considered highly unacceptable to penalty of laws…

Plan ahead and make sure if you are going to be involved with this guy or anyother, that they are not prone to drag you into such a life of debauchery as when one leaves their family’s nest they sometimes latch on to dangerous things. So if he is like a drug kinda guy etc “then danger Will Robinson danger”

Your earlier description:

“Good job. Owns a house. Stable situation.”

Does not sound like that, but always good to advise all possibilities 🙂
I maintain that the ‘stifled’ who then go ‘berserk’ have no actual commitment to the abstinence or understanding of why it is good.

Despite my father doing it wrong, I understand the truth of why you need to have marriage before sex, and why you shouldn’t be a drunk, and why you should seek moderation in pleasure. So I don’t really think it’s likely I’ll jump into the deep end. Can’t swim that great anyhow :rolleyes:
 
You are 25, time to move out unless there is some physical condition, or other hindering you from this.

Get a full time job that allows you to pay rent and cover your necessary expenses… and move out.

I moved out from my parent’s house at 23.
To be fair, that second part can be of vastly varying difficulty depending on your resources and the area you live in. Not having a car of her own is going to be a pretty big limitation on the OP in what jobs she can take.
 
To be fair, that second part can be of vastly varying difficulty depending on your resources and the area you live in. Not having a car of her own is going to be a pretty big limitation on the OP in what jobs she can take.
And I consider it a better position to have a part time job with no car expenses, then to get a car and incur all the associated expenses on the chance I’ll get a job that makes it worth it.
 
And I consider it a better position to have a part time job with no car expenses, than to get a car and incur all the associated expenses on the chance I’ll get a job that makes it worth it.
Living within your actual means instead of according the means you aspire to attain shows maturity. Education is an investment, but I mean the people who start driving fancy cars as soon as they are accepted into medical school, law school, or some other professional program. If you haven’t earned the money (or secured a steady job that is reasonably certain to get you the money, in the case of investment-type purchases such as buying the house you live in instead of renting), you should not spend the money.

The problem is that when you are competing for the full-time job you really want, it will be better to have a full-time job on your resume than a part-time job. The exception is when you are concurrently in training for a job in a different field, but for the most part, employers like to hire people with a demonstrated work ethic.

It doesn’t take that long to get yourself a car. If you like, you can save the money, look for the full-time job, and when you get the full-time job, find the car. I would definitely save your part-time job income to get you the nest egg you’ll need to start a full-time job (which might include different work clothes) and a car of your own (or a place to live near suitable mass transit).

The truth is, you cannot start putting money into tax-deferred retirement accounts too young. I hope this is what you are already doing:

money.usnews.com/money/blogs/on-retirement/2013/08/28/5-ways-saving-at-an-early-age-benefits-you

forbes.com/sites/greggfisher/2013/03/11/savings-start-early/#569b44f05f20
(This story shows how someone who saved $1,000 a month from 1973 through 1992 and stopped, just letting that money grow, compares to someone who saved the same amount starting in 1993. When the end of 2012, the late saver would have nearly $470,000. The early saver, the one who saved for 20 years early, then stopped, would have over $4.5 *million *saved.)

Putting money in tax-deferred retirement accounts when you are young and have no children is a huge help later in life, even if you cannot save at the same rate when you have children to support. If Dad and Mom are letting you live rent-free, it makes sense to “pay rent” to an IRA. (Let’s not even ask whether or not a young worker ought to take advantage of every penny of matching funds an employer offers for their retirement account!)
 
Thank you, Easter, but it is currently more prudent to stay where I’m at until I’m ready to move out once and for all.

I’m taking online courses, but I’m not going to college so I don’t have any of the typical adjustment phases others do - no friend to crash with or move in with, no dorm, no roommate opportinies… I’d be going from basically full dependence to full independence in one great leap, and I’m not ready for that yet, in more than one way, but financially for sure.

I never intended to leave my parents’ house until I moved into my husband’s. Or, went halvsies with my bestie. But she’s not even close to ready, and her mom is great to live with, so she’s in no hurry to leave. In fact, if it were just mom I had to deal with, I wouldn’t have any problems at all.

But really, this wasn’t supposed to devolve into how I need to get out of the house. 🤷

Then again, I’ll have to move closer to the Potential Suitor at some point in order to continue the relationship - he’s tied where he’s at, and I’m not - so there’s that possibility, but probably not until next year at the earliest. Unless Dad decides to make good on his continual ‘threat’ to throw me out - but he hasn’t mentioned that once since I now actually know a man, into whose arms that threat would now drive me. :rolleyes:

And I do have a nest egg of sorts, so there’s hope for the future. I just can’t make any plans until an opportunity presents itself. That’s how I got my current job, which is inherently part time due to my duties, not being transient or temporary. I’ve actually been there three years and dabbled in other departments, so my resume will look pretty good and stable based on these factors.

I was the first applicant and was basically hired on the spot. Trained on the job, a job invented hurriedly to fill an immediate need, and a job whose parameters I defined to the point that my original supervisor asks ME how best to do my own job if I’m not available.

Then I filled in at need in other departments, doing basically anything within my qualifications to do. I even did menial office work for the administrator of the entire building. I covered the Fourth of July in laundry… I did weekends… I did outdoor lawn work…

My job is cleaning and maintaining the carpets and upholstered chairs in a nursing home facility. But I’ve also buffed and stripped vinyl floors, use a steam cleaner, and assist the maintenance guys wherever needed.

So I am basically a professional carpet cleaner with expertise in other specific cleaning tasks. Plus all of the above. I’ll have so many references, it’ll be ridiculous. :rolleyes:
 
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