UPDATE: Altar girls and the Extraordinary Form – the PCED clarifies the situation [Fr. Z's blog]

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TrueLight said:
Except that we’re discussing something that is serious. I don’t want to see female servers either. I actually like that men are able to have this role reserved to them; one reason being that women tend to be a lot more active in church anyway.

However, I do hope that it was a true joke and that and that traditional men are not closet sexists.
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Of course I was joking. My wife gets her way lol.

But really, if a man, or woman, is sexist, they could be anything. Atheist, trad, orthodox, liberal, doctor, lawyer, drug addict, thief, etc.

I don’t think trad women rue their traditional roles. Some may, but I’d guess most don’t.
 
At_Trent said:
Of course I was joking. My wife gets her way lol.

But really, if a man, or woman, is sexist, they could be anything. Atheist, trad, orthodox, liberal, doctor, lawyer, drug addict, thief, etc.

I don’t think trad women rue their traditional roles. Some may, but I’d guess most don’t.
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Okay, my brother.
 
ProVobis said:
And people still don’t understand the Mass. Ever ask them what the readings were all about as they leave the Church? Do they even remember which EP was used?
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Comprehension and paying attention are two different things. Don’t mix them up.
 
This is certainly interesting. This fosters the idea that the EF is the realm of “reennacters” making sure to get every historical detail just right so that they bring back the fifties. I say that as an observation, not as an indictment.

Whether you are in favor of altar girls or not, having the EF pitched as a return to 1962 is not going to help it gain in popularity. The people in the pews, for better or for worse, will not accept anything if it is a return to the “old ways”.
 
PaulinVA said:
Whether you are in favor of altar girls or not, having the EF pitched as a return to 1962 is not going to help it gain in popularity. The people in the pews, for better or for worse, will not accept anything if it is a return to the “old ways”.
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This brings up an interesting point. I’m sure a lot more people would be interested in at least checking out an EF mass if they felt it was accessible to them. If they view fans of the EF as renacters, kind of like these folks, that might keep them away.
 
PaulinVA said:
This is certainly interesting. This fosters the idea that the EF is the realm of “reennacters” making sure to get every historical detail just right so that they bring back the fifties. I say that as an observation, not as an indictment.

Whether you are in favor of altar girls or not, having the EF pitched as a return to 1962 is not going to help it gain in popularity. The people in the pews, for better or for worse, will not accept anything if it is a return to the “old ways”.
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You gonna tell that to the Holy See ? Really, you are saying a schismatic/disobedient attitude would result. And present it as a warning ?

That’s how it reads, and it’s awful funny hearing such lately, being directed at those who have been told for years that what Rome says is gospel. And if they have an issue with that, they are schismatic and disobedient.

I think it’s not the EF flock you folks fear. I think it’s the EF itself. Perhaps I’m wrong, but ever since the UE has come out, I’m seeing some bizzare and desperate sounding comments.

I’m not attacking you Paul, but do you even see what is going on ?
 
At_Trent said:
I think it’s not the EF flock you folks fear. I think it’s the EF itself. Perhaps I’m wrong, but ever since the UE has come out, I’m seeing some bizzare and desperate sounding comments.

I’m not attacking you Paul, but do you even see what is going on ?
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Hmm, I don’t fear the EF, nor do I fear people who frequent the EF. Traditionalists have made many good points over the time that I have been here, and I have changed my mind about a lot of things. I think that latin as the language of the Church and it’s people is a good thing. I am much more aware of acting reverently during Mass and while at church.

But, making an observation about why the EF is successful among those who prefer it is not being disloyal or schismatic. Explaining why that success won’t be seen if the EF is rolled out to people who do not seek it is not disloyal or schismatic. People who frequent the EF are not disloyal or schismatic.

My point is that we need something other than the EF to move forward from where we are now. I personally think the new Roman Missal will be a tool of revival.
 
PaulinVA said:
Hmm, I don’t fear the EF, nor do I fear people who frequent the EF. Traditionalists have made many good points over the time that I have been here, and I have changed my mind about a lot of things. I think that latin as the language of the Church and it’s people is a good thing. I am much more aware of acting reverently during Mass and while at church.

But, making an observation about why the EF is successful among those who prefer it is not being disloyal or schismatic. Explaining why that success won’t be seen if the EF is rolled out to people who do not seek it is not disloyal or schismatic. People who frequent the EF are not disloyal or schismatic.

My point is that we need something other than the EF to move forward from where we are now. I personally think the new Roman Missal will be a tool of revival.
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The EF isn’t being rolled out though. It’s now a choice free of any indult.

Anyhow, I agree the new edition of the OF missal is a positive thing.
 
At_Trent said:
The EF isn’t being rolled out though. It’s now a choice free of any indult.

Anyhow, I agree the new edition of the OF missal is a positive thing.
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Thanks. Yes, I guess I was making an observation about something that wasn’t in the discussion.
 
ajpirc said:
God doesn’t call all men to the priesthood. Being an altar boy was just there so that all boys could discern the priesthood. For some, it wasn’t for them.
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That is always still available…whether girls are there or not…
 
At_Trent said:
But back in the day, before young boys saw girls serving Mass and thinking that’s what girls do, there wasn’t a shortage of boys wanting to serve.

The story was a recollection from years ago.
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There were also larger families back then…more boys to want to serve…but with smaller families…not as many boys to serve…simple…no?
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
There were also larger families back then…more boys to want to serve…but with smaller families…not as many boys to serve…simple…no?
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Good point. The other problem today is the secularism of society. More things to do on Sunday mornings which pull boys and teens away from church and into other activities such as sports.
 
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