US Bishop Change: Sacramento, California

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Is there any way to demand a better bishop from Rome?

We do not have a right to demand anything from Rome. That is presumptuous. Benedict XVI is the pope- not any of us. He is in charge- not any of us. Respect the wisdom and guidance of the Holy Father, and trust in his fidelity to the Chair of St. Peter- which God has ordained he should fill.

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Please don’t misunderstand me. I have great faith that God will not let his Church go astray. I also have great faith in BXVI. But that does not mean that he is above making poor appointments nor does it mean that we cannot demand things from Rome. We can and should demand that we are given orthodox leadership. We must demand that we are given access to licit sacraments. I am not writing about being hostile. These are things that are guaranteed us by the Church itself, outlined in cannon law and in Church history. We do ourselves and the Church a great justice by demanding these things.

If a pope was creating scandal by having a live-in girlfreind, would we not be allowed to demand that he behave?

Great saints have demanded from the papacy, too (Teresa of Avila). Again, I’m not writing about challenging, being presumtuous or being hostile, but we have the obligation to demand orthodoxy from our leaders.

That being said, I belive that BXVI has the Church’s best interests in mind, but neither he nor JPII or any other pope is amune from appointing bad bishops. I don’t think that AB Neiderauer is living up to our hopes and prayer over there in SF nor is Cardinal Mahony really the posterchild for orthodoxy in the Church.

Should we sit back and thank His Holiness for giving us desasterous men as leaders or should we humbly and persistently inform him that we need better?
 
I am in Sacramento and am very aware of bishop Weigand. He has done a lot to reign in many of the heterodoxy in the diocese. He slowed down a bit after his priests rebelled against him for appointing Fr. Corapi director of faith formation

I am in Sacramento as well, I grew up here. What do you mean that he appointed Fr. Corapi director of faith formation?

Also, I wasn’t aware that there was so much heterodoxy in our diocese, where? I mean what area of Sacramento are you talking about? Just curious.
 
I don’t know much about the Diocese of Sacramento, but the only thing I can say is that I’m very grateful that you guys have Ave Maria radio up there. During the nighttime hours, I can often listen to it as clear as a bell over 4,000 miles away here in Palm Springs!
 
Cmudd,

Thank you so much for the time you took to write all that out, my goodness. I didn’t know anything about Fr. Corapi’s short stay here, that is very interesting. I will do a search. It’s amazing reading all that. I grew up here but not Catholic. I converted in 04. Why do you suppose they didn’t like Corapi? I mean to make such a strong stand by that many people?

A couple of things. I am very familar with St. Francis. My brother was married there but it was way back in 79 or so. It is a very beautiful Church. I love going in there but I did see that the parish has become very liberal. I read thier website when I was searching for a parish change. I’m afraid it was far too left for even me.

I have seen Fr. Quinn. He came across as a very sweet and dear man. I know the priest from our old parish was always talking about how great he was.

I’m not familar with the nuns you mentioned but I’m sorry you had such a hard time. That must have been awful and very discouraging for you. I’m grew up in the south area.

I attend a parish out in Elk Grove as that is where we live. I haven’t seen the abuses out here that many talk about on CAF. One of the recently ordained young men is at our parish and making some changes, the younger ones seem more orthodox so I think that’s good for those who feel we are lacking in that area.

I hope you have found a parish you are happy at considering the level of frustration you obviously have.

I can see after reading your posts, why you might be worried about Soto. I am feeling good about it but I have a great of empathy for your point of view.

How long do you think it will be before Bishop Soto takes over?

Again, thank you so much for enlightening me on everything. 🙂
 
Cmudd,

Thank you so much for the time you took to write all that out, my goodness. I didn’t know anything about Fr. Corapi’s short stay here, that is very interesting. I will do a search. It’s amazing reading all that. I grew up here but not Catholic. I converted in 04. Why do you suppose they didn’t like Corapi? I mean to make such a strong stand by that many people? …

I can see after reading your posts, why you might be worried about Soto. I am feeling good about it but I have a great of empathy for your point of view.

How long do you think it will be before Bishop Soto takes over?

Again, thank you so much for enlightening me on everything. 🙂
Anamchara,

I don’t want to give the impression that I am distressed or that I think that the diocese is going down hill. To be honest, I’m not really even frustrated. I am leery about Bishop Soto, but anything is possible with prayer. My frustration here is why Rome appoints some of these men who are ambiguous at best on critical issues facing the Church.

Sac is a great diocese. I think this is in large part due to the diversity of people who come from countries where orthodoxy is the norm (Mexico, Vietnam, Poland, Russia, African countries…). The people of this diocese are still keeping the Faith alive! I believe that Bishop Quinn was a sincere and good man. However, he made very poor decisions in Church matters. I met him several times, even serving mass for him on a few occasions. He was a nice guy, but he was the product of poor formation and was overall, a poor shepherd of the diocese.

Welcome to the Church! …by the way. Don’t let me get you down. I am truly very optimistic about the future. You are correct. Many of the young men going into the seminary now are very straight! A good friend of mine was ordained recently. There is no more devout, orthodox, sincere, man in the diocese! He is also optimistic about the new crop of priests.

I used to attend St. Joe’s in Elk Grove when I was in High School. If I spent the night with a friend out there, I would have to drag him to Church on Sundays. It seemed very normal there, though.

At any rate, keep your chin up and keep Bishop Soto (should be installed in 3-5 years) and all of us grumblers in your prayers!
 
Anamchara,

I don’t want to give the impression that I am distressed or that I think that the diocese is going down hill. To be honest, I’m not really even frustrated. I am leery about Bishop Soto, but anything is possible with prayer. My frustration here is why Rome appoints some of these men who are ambiguous at best on critical issues facing the Church.
I know, you were just filling me in 🙂 I don’t know what to say about Rome, perhaps Rome doesn’t see the importance on issues, as everyone on CAF does? 🤷
Sac is a great diocese. I think this is in large part due to the diversity of people who come from countries where orthodoxy is the norm (Mexico, Vietnam, Poland, Russia, African countries…).
I agree we are very diverse. I love it here. We have a lot of phillapinoes and Mexicans at our parish. I love St. Joes in Elk Grove, we attend Good Shepard. We should be breaking ground for our Church in the spring. The school was built first.
Welcome to the Church! …by the way. Don’t let me get you down. I am truly very optimistic about the future. You are correct.
Oh I totally understand, I’ve learned being Catholic, the faithful have strong opinions. It’s all because everyone cares very deeply. The Church is also a bit divided right now so peoples feelings are a bit tender. I can see that on here many times.

Anyway, it’s always good to hear from someone who has been around longer and knows the score. Do you mind telling me what parish you attend?
 
I do like Weigand, though. He has a difficult job with so many of his prests and nuns willing to “walk off the job” if they don’t get what they want and being surounded by the likes of Neiderauer, Cummings, Quinn, Mahony, etc. for so many years He has a far more difficult job than we know.
As far as I would be concerned, LET THEM WALK OFF THE JOB.
Let them go someplace else if they think they can do better outside the diocese. If that truly feel that way, then maybe they should walk out of their vocation too, since they have so little respect for it as well as their bishop’s pastoral office. They are probably doing more harm in staying than in leaving. Time to clean house.
 
As far as I would be concerned, LET THEM WALK OFF THE JOB.
Let them go someplace else if they think they can do better outside the diocese. If that truly feel that way, then maybe they should walk out of their vocation too, since they have so little respect for it as well as their bishop’s pastoral office. They are probably doing more harm in staying than in leaving. Time to clean house.
Another way to look at what happened with Fr. Corapi, is that it was God’s providence. I know it sounds wierdand maybe even crazy, considering what the priests and nuns did. But, if Fr. Corapi had not remained in Redding, CA he would not have uncovered the situation with heart surgeries at Tennet and many people would still be undergoing unnecessary heart surgeries.
 
I know, you were just filling me in 🙂 I don’t know what to say about Rome, perhaps Rome doesn’t see the importance on issues, as everyone on CAF does? 🤷

I agree we are very diverse. I love it here. We have a lot of phillapinoes and Mexicans at our parish. I love St. Joes in Elk Grove, we attend Good Shepard. We should be breaking ground for our Church in the spring. The school was built first.

Oh I totally understand, I’ve learned being Catholic, the faithful have strong opinions. It’s all because everyone cares very deeply. The Church is also a bit divided right now so peoples feelings are a bit tender. I can see that on here many times.

Anyway, it’s always good to hear from someone who has been around longer and knows the score. Do you mind telling me what parish you attend?
Well, I am a bit of a wanderer right now. I am officially a member of St. Joe’s in Auburn, but we live in Carmicheal, so we have been attending St. Mel. It is really a great parish with a lot of young and growing families. Occaisionally, we attend Holy Family or Presentation, but St. Mel seems to be the ideal choice right now given how close it is to my house and the vibrant Catholic environmnet they have there.

Good luck and God speed on the new construction! My old parish of St. Joe’s in Lincoln just finished construction of there new church. It can be a dauntiong task.
 
As far as I would be concerned, LET THEM WALK OFF THE JOB.
Let them go someplace else if they think they can do better outside the diocese. If that truly feel that way, then maybe they should walk out of their vocation too, since they have so little respect for it as well as their bishop’s pastoral office. They are probably doing more harm in staying than in leaving. Time to clean house.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you. Many of those priest would not really have been able to do much if they up and left. What cana 70 year old man who has been a priest for 40 years do with himself? And Weigand would have to grant them permission to go to another diocese as a priest. It is not as though a diocesan priest can just quit and go elswhere.

But Cobbfmly might have a good point there. Fr. Corapi did help uncover that horrible scheme in Redding. God works in mysterious ways.

Good news though… we ordained seven new priest this year, and from what I hear from a trusted priest, it is a great crop of guys!. Next year, we are supposed to have a similar class of new priests. They type of young man who goes into the seminary these days is usually going to be a winner. There is too much scandal for weekliongs to feel drawn to such a vocation and how many non-romans want to give their lives to what is popularly seen as a dying profession?

Maybe we can open up our own seminary or start sending our men somewhere besides St. Patricks in Menlow Park. They may have removed some of the homosexual/pedo influence over there, but that place is a total desaster and should be closed by the Vatican. I won’t hold me breath onthat one, though.
 
…Good news though… we ordained seven new priest this year, and from what I hear from a trusted priest, it is a great crop of guys!..
Actually, we ordained nine new priests. Seven in June and two in October.

My parish has one of the seven priests that were ordained in June. I really like him!
 
Actually, we ordained nine new priests. Seven in June and two in October.

My parish has one of the seven priests that were ordained in June. I really like him!
Awesome! That is really great to hear. So. it seems that we must wait them out. Time will always favor the patient!
 
Actually, we ordained nine new priests. Seven in June and two in October.

My parish has one of the seven priests that were ordained in June. I really like him!
We have one of the new priests as well. 🙂
 
I do hope Bishop Brown was the cause of these problems and not Soto. Bishop Weigand did good for our diocese during his service when I lived there and I would not care to see this changed. I know that they appoint the best people available, but sometimes it seems as if the list of candidates must be awful short 😦
 
Well, I am a bit of a wanderer right now. I am officially a member of St. Joe’s in Auburn, but we live in Carmicheal, so we have been attending St. Mel. It is really a great parish with a lot of young and growing families. Occaisionally, we attend Holy Family or Presentation, but St. Mel seems to be the ideal choice right now given how close it is to my house and the vibrant Catholic environmnet they have there.

Good luck and God speed on the new construction! My old parish of St. Joe’s in Lincoln just finished construction of there new church. It can be a dauntiong task.
Ahh St. Mel. My husband went to school there in 1st grade then went to St. Philomenes. St. Mels sounds really nice. I’ve heard some good things. 🙂
 
I do hope Bishop Brown was the cause of these problems and not Soto. Bishop Weigand did good for our diocese during his service when I lived there and I would not care to see this changed. I know that they appoint the best people available, but sometimes it seems as if the list of candidates must be awful short 😦
You moved out of Sacramento?
 
I lived near Redding (north end of the diocese), but needed to move out. Currently in the Oakland Diocese, which is better now than it was under John Cummings.
I see. 🙂 I don’t know much about John Cummings. I’ve been really impressed in here with the knowledge everyone has of Bishops etc.
 
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