US Bishop Changes: Detroit, Owensboro, Orange

[Lux_et_veritas]

I’ve been taking classes at Sacred Heart for quite a while now. There are a couple of ‘old guard’ left, but the vast majority now are rock solid. And the remaining ‘old guard’ know better than to say too much

And they will say even less now

Brendan - are you taking classes at night or day? When I looked to take evening classes there a year or two ago, I found some of the old guard teaching in the evening. But, the daytime schedule when seminarians would be attending had a great lineup.

 

[Pax_Vobiscum_57]

I’ve been taking classes at Sacred Heart for quite a while now. There are a couple of ‘old guard’ left, but the vast majority now are rock solid. And the remaining ‘old guard’ know better than to say too much

And they will say even less now

Brendan - are you taking classes at night or day? When I looked to take evening classes there a year or two ago, I found some of the old guard teaching in the evening. But, the daytime schedule when seminarians would be attending had a great lineup.

Hey! What are you guys taking? My husband’s taking his second semester of Latin to get his B.Phil in the spring, then he’s applying for the STL.

What professors do you have? Of course you can PM me, but I don’t think it would be out of line to say Dr. Ed Peters is one SMART guy!!! (Latin/Canon Lawyer)

 

[Pax_Vobiscum_57]

Yeah - follow me. I’m taking the day off and plan on going. although, I don’t know if it is open to the public. I’ll check.

BTW - I’m going to be doing a post series on Bp Vigneron at my blog. I think there are some good things worth discussing and didn’t want to cram them all into one post.

I don’t recall any Masses of Ordination, Instllation, or Elevation that were not open to the public. The reception afterward, but not the Mass.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

I don’t recall any Masses of Ordination, Instllation, or Elevation that were not open to the public. The reception afterward, but not the Mass.

I do not know if it is true in Detroit, but it is true in Philadelphia for Ordinations. I needed an invite for the Ordination of a seminarian that was put through the ringer by my parish when I lived there

 

[lizaanne]

Get.There.Early.

The installation Mass is at 2pm. You should probably plan to be there no later than noon or 12:30. They will be set up for a huge crowd, and if you’ve never heard the diocesan choir, you are in for a treat! The front pews will be reserved for the VIPs, but the Mass is open to the public.

Oh yeah - I’m taking the entire day off and getting there early.

Yeah - follow me. I’m taking the day off and plan on going. although, I don’t know if it is open to the public. I’ll check.

BTW - I’m going to be doing a post series on Bp Vigneron at my blog. I think there are some good things worth discussing and didn’t want to cram them all into one post.

Diane - let me know if you hear anything contrary to a public Mass. I’ll keep checking your blog too, I really enjoyed the Bishop’s list of 10 things!

Are you going to be able to photograph the Mass do you know?

~Liza

 

[SeekerJen]

This is good news. Our parish has a new pastor who’s making the necessary small changes to our Masses to make them GIRM-compliant (we weren’t far off the mark, but some nudging needed doing). I had the good fortune to hear Bishop Flores speak in person last October, and now this news of Archbishop Vigneron. It was the front-and-center headline of the Detroit Free Press this morning. I’m happy to be a Detroit Catholic.

 

[Brendan]

Hey! What are you guys taking? My husband’s taking his second semester of Latin to get his B.Phil in the spring, then he’s applying for the STL.

What professors do you have? Of course you can PM me, but I don’t think it would be out of line to say Dr. Ed Peters is one SMART guy!!! (Latin/Canon Lawyer)

I was in the Diaconate program ( techicnally I still am). I pulled back when kids #4 and #5 came along. Bishop Boyea, my wife and I agreed it would be better to hold off until the kids can babysit themselves and my wife doesn’t need assistance managing small kids in the pews.

I haven’t had the privlidege of taking classes from Dr. Peters, though I have had several conversations with him, great guy (and brilliant)

But I’ve had a Moral Theology with Dr Janet Smith and Dr. Latkovic, Philosophy with Dr. Escheveria, Liturgy with Msgr Kasza (Cardinal Maida’s Secretary and MC), Spirituality with Ralph Martin, Church History with Fr. Hamilton, Scripture with Dr. Williamson and Sr. Mary Finn.

My wife took Spirituality with Fr. Spezia and Moral Theology with Bishop Flores

 

[Brendan]

I don’t recall any Masses of Ordination, Instllation, or Elevation that were not open to the public. The reception afterward, but not the Mass.

I pinged a friend who works in the Chancellory office. She said the organization committee is meeting right now to discuss the logistics. More will be known later in the week.

It’s going to be ‘interesting’ as most of the priests and deacons will be there to renew their promise of obedience. So that alone could easily take up half the cathedral.

I remember going to Cardinal Szoka’s Installation Mass, they held that in Cobo Arena to accomodate anyone who wanted to attend.

 

[Lux_et_veritas]

I plan on taking my camera and want to take pics, but it may be dependent on whether I can use flash during the procession and recession.

Has anyone attended an ordination Mass at Blessed Sacrament or other special event to have noticed if there are flashes going off during processional and recessional?

Lizaanne - are you going alone? If so, I’ll meet you there…early. I’ll probably pack a bagged meal and get there around 11:00 or 12:00. I need to get an end seat and if that means I have to go at 8:00am I’ll do it. I’ve done crazier stuff than that for a good pic.


I won’t get any of the action on the altar because I’m not willing to use flash during the Mass and do not have the kind of lens I need for no flash photography without a tripod.

BTW - I have found even more great stuff on Bp Vigneron that I will be presenting on the blog. Click my homepage below and stay tuned!!!

 

[lizaanne]

Lizaanne - are you going alone?

Check your PMs

~Liza

 

[Pax_Vobiscum_57]

But I’ve had a Moral Theology with Dr Janet Smith and Dr. Latkovic, Philosophy with Dr. Escheveria, Liturgy with Msgr Kasza (Cardinal Maida’s Secretary and MC), Spirituality with Ralph Martin, Church History with Fr. Hamilton, Scripture with Dr. Williamson and Sr. Mary Finn.

My wife took Spirituality with Fr. Spezia and Moral Theology with Bishop Flores

You are going to be an excellent deacon. However, there’s a guy in formation whose wife just had a baby. Maybe you should talk to Bp. Flores!

Every one of those teacher my husband had. Escheveria is very intellectual - Dr. Salas is a new Philosophy prof and has the same teaching style. TOUGH!!!

All good, solid teachers you’ve had. Had you had Psychology yet? That’s a little weird (PM me if you want more info). But if you get a chance to take a theology class with Dr. Fastiggi (Moral Theology) or Fr. Muller (Systematic Theology), don’t pass it up.

Will I see you at the installation Mass?

 

[Pax_Vobiscum_57]

I plan on taking my camera and want to take pics, but it may be dependent on whether I can use flash during the procession and recession.

Has anyone attended an ordination Mass at Blessed Sacrament or other special event to have noticed if there are flashes going off during processional and recessional?

I’ve taken pics there. Now, mine are nowhere near the quality of yours, but non-flash works great.

 

[Brendan]

You are going to be an excellent deacon. However, there’s a guy in formation whose wife just had a baby. Maybe you should talk to Bp. Flores!

Thanks, but I concur with what Bishop Boyea and my wife had to say, I’m needed in the pews with kids right now

Every one of those teacher my husband had. Escheveria is very intellectual - Dr. Salas is a new Philosophy prof and has the same teaching style. TOUGH!!!

I LOVED Escheveria classes

All good, solid teachers you’ve had. Had you had Psychology yet? That’s a little weird (PM me if you want more info).

I did take Psych, but at Oakland Community College. I never took it in college (Engineering degree) and Sacred Heart didn’t offer it, so I just took at at OCC.

But if you get a chance to take a theology class with Dr. Fastiggi (Moral Theology) or Fr. Muller (Systematic Theology), don’t pass it up.

I certainly won’t. One of the things I’m doing now is taking classes that simply appeal to me (when I get the chance). They are on the tops of my lists.

Will I see you at the installation Mass?

Hopefully

 

[thereseozi]

I pray for him - he has a tough crowd of VERY VERY liberal priests and others in Detroit. I hope he can clean house for us, it is so very desperately needed.

May God bless our new Bishop with wisdom, faith, and holiness.

~Liza

I’m from Detroit, MI and I agree with you! ~Therese

 

[lizaanne]

…But if you get a chance to take a theology class with Dr. Fastiggi (Moral Theology) …

Dr. Fastiggi is an incredibly intelligent man. I had the good fortune of meeting him when he was at the studio of Saint Michael’s Media for the taping of Where Did the Bible Come From? - he appears in this DVD and offered some wonderful commentary on the subject.

~Liza

 

[Tigg]

Some changes are positive, others some times aren’t. It’s not an exact science. You hope that the church keeps building itself up. Too many people in these forums try too hard to read tea leaves about what an episcopal appointment means.

It’s been 4 years some Robert Carlson took over in Saginaw…I see the same priests, hear the same preaching, etc. He has a different public persona than the former bishop…but other than bringing in a batch of seminarians from Columbia who don’t speak any English…I haven’t seen what is so ‘boldly different’.

I would like to ask just how aggressively you would think a new bishop might affect changes regarding liturgical abuse. (See my post #31). I realize this is an unfair question without knowing any actual circumstances, but perhaps you would like to speculate. Isn’t there a National Federation for Priests who can band together to oppose a new bishop (if they choose?) In this area, I’ve had others tell me that even the Liturgical Commission (for this diocese) is compromised when it comes to reporting abuse.

Anyone??? Just fishing for some “hope.”

 

[Brendan]

Dr. Fastiggi is an incredibly intelligent man. I had the good fortune of meeting him when he was at the studio of Saint Michael’s Media for the taping of Where Did the Bible Come From? - he appears in this DVD and offered some wonderful commentary on the subject.

~Liza

I got to know him rather well at an Ordination Mass a few years ago. It was raining heavily, and my wife and I had golf umbrellas. The Fastiggi’s were right behind us in line, so we invited them under our umbrellas.

He still remembers that incident. He came to our parish to speak and recognzied me

 

[frommi]

I would like to ask just how aggressively you would think a new bishop might affect changes regarding liturgical abuse. (See my post #31). I realize this is an unfair question without knowing any actual circumstances, but perhaps you would like to speculate. Isn’t there a National Federation for Priests who can band together to oppose a new bishop (if they choose?) In this area, I’ve had others tell me that even the Liturgical Commission (for this diocese) is compromised when it comes to reporting abuse.

Anyone??? Just fishing for some “hope.”

No…a bishop is elected by one man under the current system…the Pope. Yes, a group of priests could state strong concerns about a bishop’s leadership, but history has shown us that it takes some significant problems for the Pope to compel a resignation or reassign a bishop unwillingly. The most recent case was the new Archbishop in Poland (?) who’s reign lasted about 36 hours a couple of years back.

In terms of how fast ‘abuse’ is brought under control, every bishop has a different way of addressing that. Few of them, in my experience across 3 different dioceses, are going to go after what one may term the ‘smaller’ abuses…most will make sure that valid bread is being consecrated, etc.

 

[chewchoo]

In terms of how fast ‘abuse’ is brought under control, every bishop has a different way of addressing that. Few of them, in my experience across 3 different dioceses, are going to go after what one may term the ‘smaller’ abuses…most will make sure that valid bread is being consecrated, etc.

how are abuse corrections mandated or made sure that they are being followed? will parishes be monitored or is it just expected to be followed because the bishop said so? there are so many little things at my parish that it would be good for an expert or authority to observe.

 

[MNeil]

No…a bishop is elected by one man under the current system…the Pope. Yes, a group of priests could state strong concerns about a bishop’s leadership, but history has shown us that it takes some significant problems for the Pope to compel a resignation or reassign a bishop unwillingly. The most recent case was the new Archbishop in Poland (?) who’s reign lasted about 36 hours a couple of years back.

In terms of how fast ‘abuse’ is brought under control, every bishop has a different way of addressing that. Few of them, in my experience across 3 different dioceses, are going to go after what one may term the ‘smaller’ abuses…most will make sure that valid bread is being consecrated, etc.