US Bishops AID Organisation Encourages Condom Use through "Information"

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CRS draws a fine line between “promoting” condoms and “giving information” about them.
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Surely you wouldn’t object to letting people learn about condoms? People who probably aren’t following church teachings anyway? At least let them make informed decisions.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Surely you wouldn’t object to letting people learn about condoms? People who probably aren’t following church teachings anyway? At least let them make informed decisions.
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Learn about condoms?

Such as using it to prevent HIV transmission or that it is no guarantee that it’ll prevent HIV transmission and therefore, abstinence and chasity are the only ways to go about it?

Regardless if they follow church teachings or not, CRS is supposed to represesnt the teachings of the Church. Anything less is scandalous!
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Surely you wouldn’t object to letting people learn about condoms? People who probably aren’t following church teachings anyway? At least let them make informed decisions.
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Should church personnel or representatives be the ones giving that information? There is no shortage of people touting the benefits of condom use. The Church does not have to do it.
 
I did see another article noting the issue,
ignatius.com/Magazines/CWR/grisez_april08.htm

I emailed my local diocese CRS rep to ask if they are aware of such a policy. We give weekly donation (automatically from our pay checks) so I am waiting for their response.

The amount of time and energy Papal and magisterial teachings has
given against abortion, contraception and euthanasia has left no doubt on the grave nature of supporting such things; I would find even material
cooperation unacceptable.
 
Hmm. I wonder if this ‘information’ is really information portrayed in negative light as opposed to the positive done by condom manufacturers.

Such as:

‘did you know the aids virus is smaller than the holes present in a condom, and you have a 1 in 10 chance of getting aids’

People will be like WHATTTTT???
 
Harmony1988 said:
Hmm. I wonder if this ‘information’ is really information portrayed in negative light as opposed to the positive done by condom manufacturers.

Such as:

‘did you know the aids virus is smaller than the holes present in a condom, and you have a 1 in 10 chance of getting aids’

People will be like WHATTTTT???
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Which is still smaller than if condoms were not used and one partner did not have AIDS.

The ABC approach is the standard approach for third world relief agencies. Absitance, Be Faithful, Condoms.
 
cathgal said:
Learn about condoms?

Such as using it to prevent HIV transmission or that it is no guarantee that it’ll prevent HIV transmission and therefore, abstinence and chasity are the only ways to go about it?

Regardless if they follow church teachings or not, CRS is supposed to represesnt the teachings of the Church. Anything less is scandalous!
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Is is also scandalous to let the rate of HIV transmission go up due to not allowing condom use as a form of personal protection?
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Is is also scandalous to let the rate of HIV transmission go up due to not allowing condom use as a form of personal protection?
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The way I see it, the Church will never be OK with mediocrity. She will always call us to be the best we can be and to do our best to imitate Christ.

Christ’s love and sacrifice is our example. I don’t see how the Church will ever say, “It’s OK for a man to love his spouse enough to protect her some.” The Church will always say, “A man must love his spouse enough to protect her completely.”

So if we’re talking about being faithful, we can’t talk about just being faithful enough. We have to talk about being faithful to the max. And that means not exposing your spouse at all.

How many men can love that much? I sure hope my husband would.
 
KCT said:
The way I see it, the Church will never be OK with mediocrity. She will always call us to be the best we can be and to do our best to imitate Christ.

Christ’s love and sacrifice is our example. I don’t see how the Church will ever say, “It’s OK for a man to love his spouse enough to protect her some.” The Church will always say, “A man must love his spouse enough to protect her completely.”

So if we’re talking about being faithful, we can’t talk about just being faithful enough. We have to talk about being faithful to the max. And that means not exposing your spouse at all.

How many men can love that much? I sure hope my husband would.
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It is not about being faithful in Africa and other HIV hot spots. Faithful spouses is not enough to try to hold down the rate of transmission. HIV is too common in heterosexual sex, married or otherwise in those areas.

Being Faithful is also part of the ABC stragety which is used in third world relief.

Absitanice, Be Faithful (one partner), Condoms, a broader approach has the largest effect.
 
Saying “Don’t fornicate or commit adultery, but if you do, use a condom” is as irresponsible as saying, “Don’t rob banks, but if you do, wear body armor.”
 
Scottgun said:
Saying “Don’t fornicate or commit adultery, but if you do, use a condom” is as irresponsible as saying, “Don’t rob banks, but if you do, wear body armor.”
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Yet given the life and death of HIV/AIDS, it is better to be safe, than to make your one bad decision a fatal one. You can confess the act, but not remove the virus. It complicates the teachings on life in the Church.
 
Scottgun said:
Saying “Don’t fornicate or commit adultery, but if you do, use a condom” is as irresponsible as saying, “Don’t rob banks, but if you do, wear body armor.”
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Or “don’t break the speed limit, but if you do, use the passing lane”
 
IMHO the use of condoms is one of the ways that Aids/HIV is spread. People think they are “safe” to have recreational sex and since it (lets admit it) feels so good then why not?

The only way to not catch the virus is to avoid the behaviors that invites the virus into our bodies.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
**Yet given the life and death of HIV/AIDS, **it is better to be safe, than to make your one bad decision a fatal one. You can confess the act, but not remove the virus. It complicates the teachings on life in the Church.
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The aids situation in Africa is about life and death. Call me naive but if you , as a man, had a choice between having sex and dying or not having sex and living which would you choose?
I have read that if everyone in Africa would abstain from sex for one year, aids would be wiped out. One year! That should be the approach. Total abstinence for one year. Passing out condoms hasn’t worked and it never will. Isn’t it time to get serious?
 
I think the Church in the United States is in serious peril
 
From the article at ignatius.com
That document said that public educational programs “could include accurate information about prophylactic devices * … as potential means of preventing AIDS. We are not promoting the use of prophylactics, but merely providing information that is part of the factual picture.”
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That statement was considered unsatisfactory by many US bishops and was severely criticized by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, then prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In a letter to the US bishops, Cardinal Ratzinger indicated that public programs providing such information not only tolerated evil but facilitated it*. He then added:**
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The problem of educational programs in specifically **Catholic ****schools and institutions requires particular attention. These facilities are called to provide their own contribution for the prevention of AIDS, in full fidelity to the moral doctrine of the Church, without at the same time engaging in compromises which may even give the impression of trying to condone practices which are immoral, for example, technical instructions in the use of prophylactic devices.
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I’d say, that until CRS cleans up its act, it would be wise to withhold support, as they are not following the Pope’s directives.
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KathleenElsie said:
IMHO the use of condoms is one of the ways that Aids/HIV is spread. People think they are “safe” to have recreational sex and since it (lets admit it) feels so good then why not?

The only way to not catch the virus is to avoid the behaviors that invites the virus into our bodies.
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Absolutely. Pro-condom people nanner on about how a condom prevents the virus from passing which is mere mechanics. When you add the *human factor, *it’s no contest, you see more AIDS, not less with the promotion of condoms.
 
stmaria said:
The aids situation in Africa is about life and death. Call me naive but if you , as a man, had a choice between having sex and dying or not having sex and living which would you choose?
I have read that if everyone in Africa would abstain from sex for one year, aids would be wiped out. One year! That should be the approach. Total abstinence for one year. Passing out condoms hasn’t worked and it never will. Isn’t it time to get serious?
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That is unrealistic even if there was a yearlong continent-wide abstinence (that in itself is realistically impossible). The HIV virus stays around until death once it is transmitted. A one year abstinence would mean the virus would just start up again (moving to new human hosts) after the year is up. It would have to be a multi-generational abstinence (which is even more impossible).

You have to work with the real world, which means reduce the transmission as much as possible as people are going to have sex, sometimes with another partner, but using a condom, while not perfect protection is better for each person than not using and having no biological protection.
 
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