US bishops' conference strongly criticizes CCHD critics [CWN]

[Tigg]

Did you read the article I posted a link to? I highly recommend it in the interest of gaining a complete picture. If you scroll down to the comments section, the director of ALL makes a comment and the author responds to his comment.

Source?

I skimmed the article which is nothing more than the opinion of a blogger, so where is the “complete picture” you refer to? Thanks, but I believe the proof is incontrovertible and I’ll just do as my own bishop suggested…help the poor in our area for now. As to the other bishops NOT allowing this collection, here is last year’s list:

List of Bishops Not Holding CCHD Collection:

Bishop Joseph Adamec - Altoona-Johnstown, Pennsylvania
Bishop Robert J. Baker - Birmingham, Alabama
Bishop John O. Barres - Allentown, Pennsylvania
Bishop Lawrence Brandt - Greensburg, Pennsylvania
Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz - Lincoln, Nebraska
Bishop Victor Galeone - St. Augustine, Florida
Bishop Robert C. Morlino - Madison, Wisconsin
Bishop Kevin Rhoades (formerly) - Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Bishop David Ricken – Green Bay, Wisconsin
Bishop Edward J. Slattery - Tulsa, Oklahoma

lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/jun/10061706

I would venture a guess that since the mailing of the ALL report more names might be added.

 

[Joe_5859]

I skimmed the article which is nothing more than the opinion of a blogger, so where is the “complete picture” you refer to?

Suit yourself. Unlike the ALL, the blogger actually picked up the phone and called people. I have a hard time viewing a report as thorough and meticulously researched if they didn’t even bother to contact the people and ask for their explanation of the data.

 

[Marie5890]

I pray for the bishops.

The more I read, the more I realize how incredibly difficult it must be for them to shepherd their flocks while emulating and being a disciple and friend to Our Lord at the same time.

 

[lizaanne]

Here is a link to the RealCatholicTV show Social Injustice.

I would like to also make the offer that if anyone has any question regarding the research of this show, or any point of data provided, that I am more than happy to put you directly in touch with a member the research team or other appropriate person to discuss your concern.

This thread is NOT about Michael Voris, it is about the CCHD. I offer this link ONLY in support of that line of discussion, and do not wish in any way to derail this thread. If someone wishes to change the topic, please do follow forum rules and start a different discussion so this one does not get closed.

~Liza

 

[Teelynn]

Unlike some Bishops, ours has submitted a full page promo in our Sunday Bulletin.
I will email my Pastor however, with information just in case he is not aware. I have printed out ALL’s report and put several copies in our sacristy, but I really think he will go along with the Cardinal on this. The only other thing I can do is to get the word out as much as possible with however many as possible, so that they can serve Jesus more faithfully.

From reading what the USCCB had to say about ALL, there was some pretty strong language in there! Unbelievable that we have to fight for Catholic values as hard as we do right inside our own Church! We given them money so that they can turn around and laugh at us all the way to the bank? With OUR MONEY? If that doesn’t make your blood boil…

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

Here is a link to the RealCatholicTV show Social Injustice.

I would like to also make the offer that if anyone has any question regarding the research of this show, or any point of data provided, that I am more than happy to put you directly in touch with a member the research team or other appropriate person to discuss your concern.

Claim of video: Jesus didn’t say “blessed are the poor” he said "blessed are the poor in spirit:
Problem: While its true that the literal quote in Matthew “blessed are the poor” continues with the words “in spirit”, however, in Luke Jesus literally says “blessed are you who are poor.” (Lk 6:20). Since Luke makes a deliberate point of directly mentioning the literal poor (and not just poor in spirit) I fail to see why the video objections to the slogan “Blessed are the poor.” It would seem the video deliberately ignores Luke to take a cheap shot at “social justice types.”

So not even 10 minutes into the video it seems a bit disingenuous, at least to me…

 

[Teelynn]

I really don’t know what to believe on this issue but I am inclined to believe the USCCB. That said, I refuse to pass judgment on this issue until it is abundantly clear what is going on and right now, it is far from being clear to me.

Exactly why I will not give nor will I encourage others to give. The USCCB had to be baggered last year to even look into the matter. Once they FINALLY decided to investigate, they did indeed find funds going to anti Catholic organizations. This year, according to my understanding, they have defunded some but added others that are clearly anti Catholic. In other words the USCCB hasn’t really gotten a handle on this matter. They need to really clean house on the CCHD. Until then, I would encourage giving to local agencies that need help and are faithful to Catholic teaching…or why not give directly to organizations on CCHD’s list that are known to be faithful? I would think that would be the prudent thing to do.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I would encourage giving to local agencies that need help and are faithful to Catholic teaching…or why not give directly to organizations on CCHD’s list that are known to be faithful? I would think that would be the prudent thing to do.

I not only agree ; I have done similarly (haha, when I “had money”) with regard to other charitable organizations not sponsored by the Church officially, but fully defined as social justice needs. For example, long before controversies surrounding The United Way’s campaign, funding, and distribution came to light, I had an uneasy feeling about the way these campaigns were conducted in places of employment, and the gigantic number of organizations on their list. Concerned with bureaucratic inefficiency and some other matters, I instead chose to give directly to one or two causes whose needs and mission were clear.

Decision-making is aided by examining literature, talking to staff people, and even visiting such offices, if local. In solicitations, the word “help” can mean lots of things. I prefer specific language: “100% of each contribution is assigned to the purchase cost of backpacks and jackets for these displaced orphans attending school for the first time…”

 

[TMC]

Claim of video: Jesus didn’t say “blessed are the poor” he said "blessed are the poor in spirit:
Problem: While its true that the literal quote in Matthew “blessed are the poor” continues with the words “in spirit”, however, in Luke Jesus literally says “blessed are you who are poor.” (Lk 6:20). Since Luke makes a deliberate point of directly mentioning the literal poor (and not just poor in spirit) I fail to see why the video objections to the slogan “Blessed are the poor.” It would seem the video deliberately ignores Luke to take a cheap shot at “social justice types.”

So not even 10 minutes into the video it seems a bit disingenuous, at least to me…

You are right, of course. The Gospel, and all of Scripture, is filled with admonitions to care for the poor. Scripture also makes it clear that the poor have a special place in God’s heart, and should have one in ours, as well. The Church has consistently taught the special role of the poor, and our obligation to care for them - hence the term “preferetial option for the poor”. Certain sects of Protestantism have long tried to find a way to interpret away our obligations toward the poor, even going so far as to suggest that being rich shows God’s favor and similar ridiculous notions. It pains me to see Catholics fall into the same error. I am also confused as to why so many Catholics appear ready to take the word of a few fringe idealogical groups over that of our bishops. I’m glad our bishops are standing up for the poor and reminding us to do the same.

 

[lizaanne]

The CCHD is funding organizations that support gay marriage, homosexual lifestyle, abortion. That needs to stop. Blindly putting money in the plate to support these groups is repulsive, and has NOTHING to do with supporting the poor.

I am just amazed that every single Catholic is not outraged by this! The lemming mentality of just going along with put up and shut up is mind blowing!

If I walked up to you and said “please give money to help the abortionists continue their work” - would you give me the money? Well, that’s what you are doing when this collection goes around, and yet there are those who will still write the check.

Unbelievable.

~Liza

 

[beehumble]

It seems simple to me. If one doesn’t agree with CCHD, then there are plenty of other ways to donate money:

St. Jude Children Hospital
Mary’s Meals
Catholic Charities
etc

So just donate to other charities and ignore the CCHD envelope. If CCHD donations drop significantly, the reasons why will be investigated and hopefully solved. That seems like the best course of action - vote on it with your money by not donating there.

i for one am always suspect of umbrella charity groups like United Way (they defunded the Boy Scouts in SF over their refusal to allow gay scout masters and since then I haven’t given them a dime). Umbrella groups are all too easily subverted by those with an agenda, an all too easy way to ‘hide’ certain groups that would not otherwise get any donations because they are illicit in nature.

So to avoid that, I donate directly to the groups I support. (I have donated to CAF directly, for example!)

God bless you.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

The CCHD is funding organizations that support gay marriage, homosexual lifestyle, abortion. That needs to stop.

If true then that indeed needs to be addressed. Not all of us trust the ALL’s accuracy in reporting.

I am just amazed that every single Catholic is not outraged by this! The lemming mentality of just going along with put up and shut up is mind blowing!

Not every Catholic automatically trusts what the ALL has to say about this matter. They trust the USCCB to correct any mistakes that have occurred.

If I walked up to you and said “please give money to help the abortionists continue their work” - would you give me the money? Well, that’s what you are doing when this collection goes around, and yet there are those who will still write the check.

This statement is over the line. The US Bishops are not collecting " money to help the abortionists continue their work."

 

[lizaanne]

This statement is over the line. The US Bishops are not collecting " money to help the abortionists continue their work."

I stand firmly by that statement.

You choose to keep your head in the sand. The facts are the facts. There are organizations on the CCHD list of grantees that directly and indirectly support abortion. I’m not sure how much more clear that has to be for you.

~Liza

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

I stand firmly by that statement.

You choose to keep your head in the sand. The facts are the facts. There are organizations on the CCHD list of grantees that directly and indirectly support abortion. I’m not sure how much more clear that has to be for you.

Head in the sand? I disagree that what you claim to be facts really are facts. Is it possible for two persons/groups to disagree and yet neither have their heads in the sand?

No group is ever funded without the explicit approval of the diocesan bishop where the group does its work.

usccb.org/about/catholic-campaign-for-human-development/Who-We-Are/cchd-report-9-28-2011.cfm

 

[lizaanne]

They you explain why they have the following organizations STILL receiving money from the CCHD:

New York City AIDS Housing Network = $30,000
Restaurant Opportunities Center of New York = $25,000 (pro-abort, pro-homosexual)
United Workers Association of Maryland = $50,000 (opposing any ban on same-sex marriage)
Michigan Organizing Project = $40,000 (promotion of homosexuality)
Michigan Interfaith Voice = $300,000 (homosexual activism)

And I could go on and on…
It’s all there in black and white - these groups support gay marriage, distribution of condoms, and pro-abortion activity.

They can issue all the press releases they want - the truth is out there for anyone to research who cares enough to know. I didn’t make this stuff up, neither did ALL. Go out there and look for yourself, I’ll be happy to supply every link and data point. Don’t believe me - research it for yourself. Unless you are going to blindly put your head in the sand and believe a press release, and put that check in the plate.

~Liza

 

[Tigg]

We should all remember that this has been going on for decades despite promises of reform from the bishops themselves. And that’s how long it’s been since we personally donated any money to the CCHD - decades!

They defund one pro-abort group when the scandal becomes known, only to increase funding to another doing the same thing.

 

[SusanAlane]

Does the USCCB understand that our Lord asks us to be good stewards of the gifts that he blesses us with, and that when we can legitimately question the morality of organizations that use those gifts that we have donated in good faith we can therefore legitmately question tithing to the Church generally? There are many worthy organizations competing for our dollars.

 

[commenter]

My diocese has to close inner city churches and schools because of lack of money. But they send money to Washington for the CCHD, which then funds 3 local organizations. Those groups are not known to be immoral, but they promote the same agenda already heavily promoted by the Democratic Party, the local newspaper, unions, and other groups. They don’t promote abortion, but they are in coalitions with pro abortion groups. They are not in coalitions with any pro life groups. They never support any good thing that is unpopular. If CCHD stopped funding these groups, they would continue with their other funders. Catholic social teaching is supposed to be based on subsidiarity. Why do we continue letting Washington Catholics choose what causes get promoted in my diocese? Don’t local Catholics know our priorities better?

 

[lizaanne]

My diocese has to close inner city churches and schools because of lack of money. But they send money to Washington for the CCHD, which then funds 3 local organizations. Those groups are not known to be immoral, but they promote the same agenda already heavily promoted by the Democratic Party, the local newspaper, unions, and other groups. They don’t promote abortion, but they are in coalitions with pro abortion groups. They are not in coalitions with any pro life groups. They never support any good thing that is unpopular. If CCHD stopped funding these groups, they would continue with their other funders. Catholic social teaching is supposed to be based on subsidiarity. Why do we continue letting Washington Catholics choose what causes get promoted in my diocese? Don’t local Catholics know our priorities better?

AMEN!!! You get it.

~Liza

 

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