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arieh0310
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Oh, that is music to my ears. I hope I hear it more and more often.
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fix
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Elzee
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Me too. God bless Pope Benedict!!
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Confiteor
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Why is Cardinal George still referring to it as a “pedophilia” problem? What DO those bishops do with the studies they commission, anyway?
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bones_IV
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They like to disconnect sin from their own corruptions.
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cathgal
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Shame on them for telling the Mother Church how to do her job when they couldn’t even handle the domestic affairs!
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bones_IV
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And shame on them for covering up the sex abuse scandal and not telling the holy father in Rome the truth. Namely, the failure of the bishops to communicate with the pope. Because they felt “unconfortable” talking about it. I’ve protested to them month after month and still have had no answer from them. Not one.
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MulusChristi
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Hmmm… Interesting how the USCCB seems to know exactly what the “gay community” will think of certain issues. Interesting that they are concerned about it… :ehh:
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bones_IV
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Could it be that many of those in the USCCB are pro-gay or homosexual themselves?
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Libero
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It does seem like this document was a bit of a disaster for the pope. Within a day of the pope releasing it, there were bishops all over the world claiming that the document was not quite as it seemed, and that it was at the discretion of the Bishop to interpret it etc.
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Confiteor
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I think it remains to be seen whether it is a “success” or a “disaster” as you put it. It will surely not ingratiate the Church to the liberal and gay factions, but then that is to be expected. As far as interpreting it, the Cardinal who wrote it explained it in the press shortly after…but if people don’t want to hear …then they will claim it is up to them and that gay seminarians who are celibate should be welcomed. (Note: this is NOT what the author of the document is saying.) Any Vatican document depends on faithful bishops to teach enforce it; the bishops sure made a mess of Humanae Vitae in the 1960’s, didn’t they?
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Riley259
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Yes, this does seem like pandering on the bishops part but as the article said, this is for the entire Church not just the church in the U.S. What troubles me more about this article was another link from the same issue that stated that the EU would sanction any countries that did not accept and permit “same-sex marriages” - this indeed is a scary threat. Western Europe has completely gone off the rails in my opinion. They are becoming an increasingly secular and godless society.
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otm
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My recollection was that it was individual bishops who wanted a delay, not the USCCB; do you have information that they actuallly made a statement (the USCCB)?
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otm
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I don’t have the document at hand, but my recollection is that the document can be read without distortion to allow the ordination of some who have been celibate for a period of time. There was a good bit of commentary by those who wanted an absolute ban that Rome did not give one.
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Edwin1961
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If I remember correctly, I believe the celibate period is three years. And those three years have to be proven.
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m134e5
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The gay community has flaunted their sin and demanded that we not only accept it, but acknowledge it as good- which we cannot do. If they’re offended, tough!
Also, the rest of the world doesn’t exist to cater to the whims of Americans. People here would do well to remember that.
Also, the rest of the world doesn’t exist to cater to the whims of Americans. People here would do well to remember that.
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Wolseley
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Only 6 to 8% of the world’s Catholics are American.
And if they know anything about Catholic morality, about the same percentage of American Catholics pay any attention to the USCCB.
About all they do is attend workshops and meetings on “safe” subjects, and run committees with each other. Anything that might have some sort of effect on the 40-year old ennui in the American Church (homosexuality, poor catechesis, godawful music, hideous architecture, heretical groups, dissident priests, substandard seminaries, rebellious laity, etc., etc., etc.), and they sit on their hands and dither.
With the exeption of a few here and there, I don’t have a whole lot of confidence in the American bishops. I listen to Rome, not to the USCCB.
And if they know anything about Catholic morality, about the same percentage of American Catholics pay any attention to the USCCB.
About all they do is attend workshops and meetings on “safe” subjects, and run committees with each other. Anything that might have some sort of effect on the 40-year old ennui in the American Church (homosexuality, poor catechesis, godawful music, hideous architecture, heretical groups, dissident priests, substandard seminaries, rebellious laity, etc., etc., etc.), and they sit on their hands and dither.
With the exeption of a few here and there, I don’t have a whole lot of confidence in the American bishops. I listen to Rome, not to the USCCB.
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Catholic29
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Most of Europe is no longer Christian. I’m not sure why it is, but its not unreasonable to assume that two world wars and a cold war would sap the faith out of any culture. America has not seen such bloodshed on its soil since the Civil War in the 1860s, only Europe had two wars back to back of that magnitude or greater in 1914-18 and 1939-45. But needless to say the Holy Father’s messages carry very little weight in his own back yard nowadays, its very distressing.
And here is a thread about the EU sanctioning countries that do not allow same-sex marriages forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=94772
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fix
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That is how some read it, but the document does not say be celibate for three years, it says have no tendencies for at least three years.
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