US Bishops Support Universal Health Care [2009-07-21] [Zenit]

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There are no MRI’s in Windsor? Seriously?
Yep, three hospitals, but none of them have been authorized by the Provincial government to purchase an MRI system. That is the way the Canadian systems works, a hospital has to get permission to offer services. Hospitals can’t be trusted, it seems, to make medical decisions such as that.
Also if it is so bad why are Canadians wanting their system abolished? Also why are Americans going to Mexican and Canada for medical care and prescriptions?
People go to Canada for cheaper perscriptions, not medical care in any great quantity. I know of quite a number of Canadians who come to Detroit for services, (heck they are advertised in Windsor), but none that go to Windsor.

What is really interesting is that one of the doctors in the office my wife used to go to in Windsor has an office in the Metro Detroit area. OHIP limits the amount a doctor may bill in any given year. Once the doctor reaches that limit, his\her choices are to either see patients for free, or to close up shop for the remaineder of the year.

Most doctors simply don’t take any more patients than they can bill for (hence the long wait to see doctors). In this particular doctors case, his simply has an office in the States, where he is not subject to OHIP.

Also, my in-laws neighbor is a nurse. She works in the States, in Ontario, she would make half of what she does in the US.

That is one of the ways Canada keeps the costs down. It mandates, via law, that a doctor may only accept payment from the government. It then limits the amount it will pay the doc, and also keeps the pay for other health care workers low.
 
Yep, three hospitals, but none of them have been authorized by the Provincial government to purchase an MRI system. That is the way the Canadian systems works, a hospital has to get permission to offer services. Hospitals can’t be trusted, it seems, to make medical decisions such as that.

People go to Canada for cheaper perscriptions, not medical care in any great quantity. I know of quite a number of Canadians who come to Detroit for services, (heck they are advertised in Windsor), but none that go to Windsor.

What is really interesting is that one of the doctors in the office my wife used to go to in Windsor has an office in the Metro Detroit area. OHIP limits the amount a doctor may bill in any given year. Once the doctor reaches that limit, his\her choices are to either see patients for free, or to close up shop for the remaineder of the year.

Most doctors simply don’t take any more patients than they can bill for (hence the long wait to see doctors). In this particular doctors case, his simply has an office in the States, where he is not subject to OHIP.

Also, my in-laws neighbor is a nurse. She works in the States, in Ontario, she would make half of what she does in the US.

That is one of the ways Canada keeps the costs down. It mandates, via law, that a doctor may only accept payment from the government. It then limits the amount it will pay the doc, and also keeps the pay for other health care workers low.
Nothing is perfect and at the same time there is not talk of abolishing their system. In fact I remember reading something improvements needed and they are trying to take action to do so.

However, with that said, in this case of the U.S. Canada is a straw man argument being that our government is not looking to install that type of system. If anything it would be like Germany or Japan.

So in this case the Canadian argument is a moot point. Just another way for the right to scare people.
 
Yep, three hospitals, but none of them have been authorized by the Provincial government to purchase an MRI system. That is the way the Canadian systems works, a hospital has to get permission to offer services. Hospitals can’t be trusted, it seems, to make medical decisions such as that.

People go to Canada for cheaper perscriptions, not medical care in any great quantity. I know of quite a number of Canadians who come to Detroit for services, (heck they are advertised in Windsor), but none that go to Windsor.

What is really interesting is that one of the doctors in the office my wife used to go to in Windsor has an office in the Metro Detroit area. OHIP limits the amount a doctor may bill in any given year. Once the doctor reaches that limit, his\her choices are to either see patients for free, or to close up shop for the remaineder of the year.

Most doctors simply don’t take any more patients than they can bill for (hence the long wait to see doctors). In this particular doctors case, his simply has an office in the States, where he is not subject to OHIP.

Also, my in-laws neighbor is a nurse. She works in the States, in Ontario, she would make half of what she does in the US.

That is one of the ways Canada keeps the costs down. It mandates, via law, that a doctor may only accept payment from the government. It then limits the amount it will pay the doc, and also keeps the pay for other health care workers low.
As near as I can tell through all the government obfuscation, your last paragraph is what the Democrat plan would do. You won’t be able to pay cash and the government will definitely determine the fee for service. In addition, it will, as near as I can tell, reduce Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement (so much for “concern for the poor”). (Wonder what will happen to the Amish, who pay cash for medical care, and won’t take government benefits of any kind.)

I have had occasion to arrange for medical services for others in Mexico. There are excellent physicians and clinics as well as very bad ones and quack clinics. Costs of top-flight care are about a third of what they are here. Doctors there can take cash for services or whatever insurance anybody has.

I seriously could see a time in the future when the Americans who can afford it might buy foreign insurance (in addition to paying the “medical tax” here, which nobody will be able to escape) and fly to Mexico for any kind of serious care. There may be American clinics (including the Mayo clinic that doesn’t approve of Obamacare?) looking at setting up down there right now. I think if I was a top-flight, much in demand specialist, I would be at least looking at it. Mexico might become the big winner in all of this, if it retains a patient-centered healthcare philosophy, and resists the temptation to emulate the government-centered system likely to plague the U.S.

Canadians, of course, would have a much longer way to go for quality, readily available, care than they have now, when the American system becomes like theirs. But there are probably airlines that go from Windsor to Monterrey, at least by way of St. Louis and Dallas. When you can get your lumbar fusion done for $20,000 instead of $60,000, what’s an air fare? 🙂
 
I know of several Canadians who have a very high regard for the American health system as they chose to use it because they could choose the best doctors, hospitals and didn’t have to wait around which could have been fatal considering the life-threatening circumstances. Of course these folks had the means to pay out of their pocket but they are alive to talk about it. If we went with a Canadian-style system, that choice wouldn’t exist anymore. Something to think about.

I’ve also talked to physicians who went to med school and did their residencies in Canada and have since defected to the US for financial reasons. Either they couldn’t make a go on a salary that socialized medicine provided or they didn’t want to. As bad as this may sound, there just weren’t any incentives to get ahead in a system that basically gives you a capped salary and lets you decide on a patient load.

I’m glad I scheduled my colonoscopy for Septemeber as I don’t have to pay a penny for the procedure because of my private insurance. Who knows if this procedure along with others will continue to be covered under Obamacare. One stat I heard is that Canadians die at a much higher rate of colon cancer. Wonder why? My mother-in-law just had her colonoscopy at age 84 and medicare paid for the whole thing. Watch out mom. When health care gets rationed, anybody over 80 will most likely be tossed aside.

As far as Americans lagging behind in life expectancy and overall health compared to Canadians and Western Europeans, all I can say is our diet is killing us. Obesity is a greater threat to our overall well being than many of the other vices combined IMHO.
You will ALWAYS find exceptions to the rule.I posit this:the average Canadian in addition to living longer and enjoying better health than his American cousin is generally satisfied with Canadian Health Care yet the American is NOT satisfied with American Heath Care.I watched your president last night;49,000,000 THAT’s 49 MILLION of your countrymen have NO health care PERIOD.As a Catholic I find the "I’m alright Jack"attitude of those fortunate enough to be insured to be repugnant and the antithesis of what Christ taught on the Sermon on the Mount.I note ONCE AGAIN that people have plenty of anecdotal stories,"some of my best friends are Canadian and they say…"And gee,I seem to recall Mr. Obama quoting quite a few horror stories about private insurance in the U.S…I recall something about a woman who paid 700 dollars a month for private insurance which REFUSED to cover her bills when she contracted cancer,or the man who lost his insurance when he lost his job and woke up in the hospital 10,000 dollars in debt.See i can come up with horror stories too…your president provided them.

By the way quite a few of my Canadian compatriots are pretty chubby too.We have been known to while away the hours in Timmies sucking back Canada’s national food the almighty DOUGHNUT.As far as obesity goes you ain’t got nothing on us.
 
You will ALWAYS find exceptions to the rule.I posit this:the average Canadian in addition to living longer and enjoying better health than his American cousin is generally satisfied with Canadian Health Care yet the American is NOT satisfied with American Heath Care.I watched your president last night;49,000,000 THAT’s 49 MILLION of your countrymen have NO health care PERIOD.As a Catholic I find the "I’m alright Jack"attitude of those fortunate enough to be insured to be repugnant and the antithesis of what Christ taught on the Sermon on the Mount.I note ONCE AGAIN that people have plenty of anecdotal stories,"some of my best friends are Canadian and they say…"And gee,I seem to recall Mr. Obama quoting quite a few horror stories about private insurance in the U.S…I recall something about a woman who paid 700 dollars a month for private insurance which REFUSED to cover her bills when she contracted cancer,or the man who lost his insurance when he lost his job and woke up in the hospital 10,000 dollars in debt.See i can come up with horror stories too…your president provided them.

By the way quite a few of my Canadian compatriots are pretty chubby too.We have been known to while away the hours in Timmies sucking back Canada’s national food the almighty DOUGHNUT.As far as obesity goes you ain’t got nothing on us.
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Well said.
However you made me miss Timmies badly. It has been 8 months since I been back to my second home. Tim Hortons is a wonderful place. We need those in the States.

God bless you and your family!
 
Yep, three hospitals, but none of them have been authorized by the Provincial government to purchase an MRI system. That is the way the Canadian systems works, a hospital has to get permission to offer services. Hospitals can’t be trusted, it seems, to make medical decisions such as that.

People go to Canada for cheaper perscriptions, not medical care in any great quantity. I know of quite a number of Canadians who come to Detroit for services, (heck they are advertised in Windsor), but none that go to Windsor.

What is really interesting is that one of the doctors in the office my wife used to go to in Windsor has an office in the Metro Detroit area. OHIP limits the amount a doctor may bill in any given year. Once the doctor reaches that limit, his\her choices are to either see patients for free, or to close up shop for the remaineder of the year.

Most doctors simply don’t take any more patients than they can bill for (hence the long wait to see doctors). In this particular doctors case, his simply has an office in the States, where he is not subject to OHIP.

Also, my in-laws neighbor is a nurse. She works in the States, in Ontario, she would make half of what she does in the US.

That is one of the ways Canada keeps the costs down. It mandates, via law, that a doctor may only accept payment from the government. It then limits the amount it will pay the doc, and also keeps the pay for other health care workers low.
My,my, I suggest that you do your research a little more thoroughly in your haste to discredit Canadian Heath Care.

McGuinty Announces New MRI For Windsor - February 20, 2004Working Together To Shorten Wait Times
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty today announced a second MRI for the Windsor area to shorten waiting times and improve access to health care for local residents.

“The health of Ontarians is our province’s most precious resource. We share a responsibility to protect it from harm, and care for it in times of need,” said Premier McGuinty.

“Today’s announcement will strengthen health care by shortening wait times for vital MRI scans that improve the treatment and diagnosis of serious illnesses like cancer.”

The new MRI will be located at the Metropolitan campus of the Windsor Regional Hospital and also operated by the Hotel-Dieu Grace Hospital and the Windsor Regional Cancer Centre.

“With another MRI in Windsor, patients will be diagnosed and treated sooner,” said Health and Long-Term Care Minister George Smitherman. “This announcement supports an important priority that we ran on and that Ontarians voted for: healthier Ontarians in a healthier Ontario.”

The new MRI will provide service to all residents, including cancer patients. Over the past six years, the Windsor Regional Cancer Centre has experienced a 20 per cent growth in both new cancer cases and overall patient visits.

The Premier praised the efforts of the people of Windsor who are raising the funds to purchase the MRI machine. The government is providing the funding needed to operate the machine.

“Working together, we can deliver the results that Ontarians want, including shorter waiting times for important health care procedures.”

The above is from the office of Dalton McGinty ptremier of Ontario-please note that it is referring to a SECOND MRI,for Windsor.Please note the date-Five years ago!

You sir,are seriously misinformed and should refrain from unsupported,anecdotal sweeping statements.It only makes you look silly.
 
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Well said.
However you made me miss Timmies badly. It has been 8 months since I been back to my second home. Tim Hortons is a wonderful place. We need those in the States.

God bless you and your family!
JosephDavid,I saw on the news that Timmies is opening a bunch of stores in New York City.They’ll be in the WC in no time.God Bless you and yours too,EH?
 
JosephDavid,I saw on the news that Timmies is opening a bunch of stores in New York City.They’ll be in the WC in no time.God Bless you and yours too,EH?
Bring em to Chicago!!! I have Dunkin Donuts, but yet still not the same.

You know recently I was offered a job there in Toronto, I sometimes wish I did not turn it down. If I could convince my wife to move it would of been a no brainer.
 
My,my, I suggest that you do your research a little more thoroughly in your haste to discredit Canadian Heath Care.

McGuinty Announces New MRI For Windsor - February 20, 2004Working Together To Shorten Wait Times
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty today announced a second MRI for the Windsor area to shorten waiting times and improve access to health care for local residents.

“The health of Ontarians is our province’s most precious resource. We share a responsibility to protect it from harm, and care for it in times of need,” said Premier McGuinty.
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What a hoot-its a major event when a city is awarded a MRI machine???
 
What a hoot-its a major event when a city is awarded a MRI machine???
A second MRI.And I was responding to a falsehood that was being presented as the truth.Again,don’t muddy the water.For someone with as many posts as you,somehow,I expect better.
 
What a hoot-its a major event when a city is awarded a MRI machine???
Yes what a hoot when a democracy admits mistakes and lives up to fixing their problems with out scrapping the whole system and leaving millions at the mercy of protiers masking under healthcare.

That Canadian national survey I posted showing that 65% of Canadians surveyed support their current system also pointed out where they think there could be improvement. It appears their government is listening.
 
I truly hope that this thread doesn’t degenerate into a vicious “my country’s better than your country”,jingoistic rant as we all know what happened to the last one that compared Canadian and American health care systems.It was eradicated by the moderator as unbecoming to a Catholic board.

The Canadian system isn’t perfect but it saved my life on the same day the diagnosis was made and I’ll defend it from half-truths,exaggerations and outright falsehoods and libel.
 
A second MRI.And I was responding to a falsehood that was being presented as the truth.Again,don’t muddy the water.For someone with as many posts as you,somehow,I expect better.
WOW!-2 MRI machines in a town of 220,000 people . whats next- 3 x-ray machines?

I live in a small mountain town and could call and get an MRI tomorrow morning at a hsoptal 2 blocks from my office.
 
WOW!-2 MRI machines in a town of 220,000 people . whats next- 3 x-ray machines?

I live in a small mountain town and could call and get an MRI tomorrow morning at a hsoptal 2 blocks from my office.
Just curious how much that MRI scan cost you in tha small mountain?
 
WOW!-2 MRI machines in a town of 220,000 people . whats next- 3 x-ray machines?

I live in a small mountain town and could call and get an MRI tomorrow morning at a hsoptal 2 blocks from my office.
Could your poor uninsured neighbour?No,because he couldn’t afford it.

Mine could.

Checkmate.
 
Yes what a hoot when a democracy admits mistakes and lives up to fixing their problems with out scrapping the whole system and leaving millions at the mercy of protiers masking under healthcare.

That Canadian national survey I posted showing that 65% of Canadians surveyed support their current system also pointed out where they think there could be improvement. It appears their government is listening.
89% of Americans are satisfied with the Health care they recieve. 70% of those who dont have health care insurance say they do receive health care and the overwheming majortiy of them are satisfied with it.

foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/24/obama-pushes-national-health-care-americans-happy-coverage/
 
Could your poor uninsured neighbour?No,because he couldn’t afford it.

Mine could.

Checkmate.
yes-in a minute. The Hospital does not turn anyone away and will work with people to either get on a payment plan or assist them in getting govt assistance.
 
89% of Americans are satisfied with the Health care they recieve. 70% of those who dont have health care insurance say they do receive health care and the overwheming majortiy of them are satisfied with it.

foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/24/obama-pushes-national-health-care-americans-happy-coverage/
Good for you.Then there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for your country to be having this debate is there?Better let your President know.And those 49,000,000 uninsured countrymen of yours too(Obama’s statistic,NOT mine).👍.

I repeat:Checkmate.
 
yes-in a minute. The Hospital does not turn anyone away and will work with people to either get on a payment plan or assist them in getting govt assistance.
But how much it does it cost for an MRI?
 
89% of Americans are satisfied with the Health care they recieve. 70% of those who dont have health care insurance say they do receive health care and the overwheming majortiy of them are satisfied with it.

foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/24/obama-pushes-national-health-care-americans-happy-coverage/
Yes I just read that report. It also said with in that link:
As the Obama administration pushes for a national health care plan, studies show that most Americans are overwhelmingly happy with their own health care – but they are dissatisfied with the country’s overall system, because most Americans who have insurance believe that those who don’t have it are not receiving care.
A survey conducted jointly by the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their own personal medical care, but only 44 percent were satisfied with the overall quality of the American medical system. The survey is the only recent poll for which data is publicly available that allows for a comparison of the satisfaction of insured and uninsured Americans.
But while insured Americans say overwhelmingly that they are satisfied, more than half of them – 52 percent – believe that becoming uninsured poses a “critical problem,” 36 percent view the threat as “serious but not critical,” and another 7 percent see it as a “problem, but not serious.” Only 4 percent view it as “not much of a problem.”
Uninsured Americans, not surprisingly, are not as satisfied as people who have insurance. Nonetheless, 70 percent of the uninsured who indicated their level of satisfaction said they were either “satisfied” or “very satisfied” with their health care, and only 17.5 percent said they were “very dissatisfied.”
A sample of other surveys include:
deloitte.com/view/en_US/us/Industries/US-Federal-Government-Public-Sector/Center-for-Health-Solutions-Federal-Government/Federal-Government-Health-Care-Consumerism/article/5735e23a4b101210VgnVCM100000ba42f00aRCRD.htm

Nearly 40 percent of consumers have expressed discontent with the status quo, rating the U.S. health care system a D or an F
A quarter of consumers have skipped care when they were sick or injured; two in five of those consumers have done so because they simply could not afford it, were not covered by insurance or thought the costs were too high
Three in 10 switched medications in the past year; 38 percent switched to save money
53 percent of consumers would like employers to be required to provide health insurance for employees
37 percent favor a mandate requiring every American to obtain health insurance either through direct purchase or through an employer or government program
7 in 10 say they would participate in a wellness program if they were given financial incentives, such as a reduced insurance premium or monetary reward
13 percent of consumers have visited a retail clinic this year and 30 percent said they would do so if it cost 50 percent or less than seeing a doctor in a doctor’s office
42 percent want access to an online personal health record connected to their doctor’s office
65 percent of consumers are interested in home monitoring devices that enable them to check their condition and send the results to their doctor
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