US bishops warn of errors in feminist sister's book

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Elizabeth Johnson’s Quest for the Living God is not confusing to anyone capable of reading and understanding theology (which includes most of my undergraduate students). The book is being used successfully in hundreds of theology courses in the U.S., and abroad. Admittedly, it does include some four syllable words, but I require my students to use dictionaries while reading it, and such words become springboards for rich class discussions.
I think you are confusing (:p) two meanings of confusing here. One means intelligible, which is what you claim, and not having read the book I will definitely take your word for it that is intelligible and thus not confusing. The other meaning is enabling mistakes, and this is the meaning intended.

So it is possible to both be crystal clear on what the contents of the book are, as well as those contents making it difficult to those who wish to learn true Catholic Theology, by not presenting it with accuracy, i.e., being confusing.

I actually am hoping you are wrong, and that the book is indeed difficult to understand. In this case, her simple rewriting it could remedy the situation and everyone would be happy. On the other hand, I fear that this is not the case, and that the contents would enable readers to understand Catholic theology wrongly. In this case, the only options are for her to correct her own understandings (which would not be trivial) and only then recommit them to the book, or for her to pridefully fail to do so and thus having this stain on her reputation, and her potential readers being denied the gifts of her intellect.
 
One of Sr. Elizabeth’s complaints, and one central to the complaint of the Catholic Theological Society of America, is that that the US bishop’s Committee on Doctrine did not follow the procedures spelled out in the USCCB’s 1989 statement Doctrinal Responsibilities: Procedures for Promoting Cooperation and Resolving Disputes Between Bishops and Theologians. The complaint is that this document states that private negotiations would take place before any public criticism.

180 faculty members of Fordham University sent a letter to the bishops which made a similar complaint. In response, Fr. Thomas Weinandy (executive director of the doctrine committee) wrote to the department of theology. In the letter he said “this might be a time to review" the 1989 document. Among the benefits of the review might be to "see how well its provisions are understood and applied.”
ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/bishops-committee-reaches-out-catholic-scholars
You have a good point. However, there is a real disconnect. Please consider this out-of-context quote from your link:

“The doctrine committee has defended its actions, explaining that Johnson’s book was already in print, that it was being used in colleges and seminaries, and so there was nothing to discuss. The committee’s head, Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, lamented that Johnson had never sought an imprimatur, or episcopal approval, before publishing the book.”

Not only are the CTSA and the Doctrine Committee not on the same page, they are not in the same library.

These posts are flying like owls…
 
Dawnia asked whether I would trust Sister Johnson or a panel of bishops. I have never known Sister Johnson to conceal the truth, so I trust her. But the bigger issue is that of all the people on this thread commenting about Sister Johnson’s theological work, I seem to be the only one who has even read it. I find no error in it, and neither do any other theologians I know. READ THE BOOK BEFORE YOU CRITICIZE IT!
FYI

The bigger issue which concerns me, as an average person, are the actions of CTSA and the Doctrine Commitee.

Right now I am looking into the Bishop’s evaluation of the book. On the other hand, the CTSA seems more focused on the procedures spelled out in the USCCB’s 1989 statement Doctrinal Responsibilities: Procedures for Promoting Cooperation and Resolving Disputes Between Bishops and Theologians. This is an interesting kind of disconnect at first glance.

For the time being, I am comfortable with your evaluation of the book. So please don’t shout at me.
 
One of Sr. Elizabeth’s complaints, and one central to the complaint of the Catholic Theological Society of America, is that that the US bishop’s Committee on Doctrine did not follow the procedures spelled out in the USCCB’s 1989 statement Doctrinal Responsibilities: Procedures for Promoting Cooperation and Resolving Disputes Between Bishops and Theologians. The complaint is that this document states that private negotiations would take place before any public criticism.
Not having read the book or the document, I acknowledge my potential for misunderstanding. But it sounds like the protocol you are describing is more for any sort of action restricting a theologian’s ability to teach or criticizing a journal article or opinion piece (once and done). I doubt the USCCB agreed to a principle in which anybody can publish anything they feel like, represent it as authoritative catholic teaching, use it in catholic educational cicumstances and that the bishop’s can’t say “boo” publicly until they’ve conducted an extensive dialogue with the author. That would be idiotic! Talk about one-sided?!

Such an approach would be reasonable for a past speech or isolated article. But for a teaching text allegedly causing an ongoing malformation of catholic students who have placed their intellects and consciences in the hands of a catholic institution they trust, that would be episcopal malpractice.

Human capacity for rationalization is astounding, after all. Take a look at the vast gulf between “Catholicism for Dummies” and “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Catholicism”. Both sets of authors passionately defend their summary of catholic teachings as accurate, yet it’s hard to believe that they both describe the same religion! This is the kind of thing we need bishops for.
 
However, there is a real disconnect…
Not only are the CTSA and the Doctrine Committee not on the same page, they are not in the same library.
That is the impression I am beginning to get as well.
Right now I am looking into the Bishop’s evaluation of the book. On the other hand, the CTSA seems more focused on the procedures spelled out in the USCCB’s 1989 statement Doctrinal Responsibilities: Procedures for Promoting Cooperation and Resolving Disputes Between Bishops and Theologians
I’m not sure that is accurate. In the letter from the CTSA board, it seems an equal amount of space is devoted to saying the the bishops’ committee has misread Sr. Elizabeth’s book.
 
For the time being, I am comfortable with your evaluation of the book. So please don’t shout at me.
Granny, I’m sorry if you thought I was “shouting” at you. It’s a reaction to how this thread reminds me of a class in which a lot of students were piling on another student whose paper they had not even bothered to read. I may be the only one on his discussion thread who has even read Sister Johnson’s book, and yet lots of other people are pretending to criticize it.
 
I may be the only one on his discussion thread who has even read Sister Johnson’s book, and yet lots of other people are pretending to criticize it.
You keep saying that but it’s irrelevant. This thread is not a review of Sister’s book. It is a discussion about the Bishops’ “warning”. No one needs to have read the book to have a relevant discussion about the process.

If you want to discuss the merits of the book, please start a thread to do so.
 
You keep saying that but it’s irrelevant. This thread is not a review of Sister’s book. It is a discussion about the Bishops’ “warning”. No one needs to have read the book to have a relevant discussion about the process.
I agree and add also the Sister’s rebuttal to the Bishops. This to me is the most perplexing part. When issues like this come up, the answer is to address the issues, rather than sweep them under the rug. Instead of addressing the criticism by proposing a timeline to publish revisions or at least acknowledging the feedback as something constructive, she simply comes off as obstinate and thick headed. I can sympathize with the potential embarrassment of being publicly criticized in this way, but her reaction seemed frankly quite immature.

But forgive me if she has made some statements to this effect in the last couple days but missed by me.
 
When issues like this come up, the answer is to address the issues, rather than sweep them under the rug.
That’s exactly what Elizabeth Johnson did, which you would know if you had bothered to read her response to the bishops.
Instead of addressing the criticism by proposing a timeline to publish revisions or at least acknowledging the feedback as something constructive, she simply comes off as obstinate and thick headed.
Now you’re just making stuff up, and acting abusive.
I can sympathize with the potential embarrassment of being publicly criticized in this way, but her reaction seemed frankly quite immature.
If you had taken the time to think before you wrote, you wouldn’t have said this.
But forgive me if she has made some statements to this effect in the last couple days but missed by me.
Finally you make an intelligible statement. READ HER RESPONSE!
 
That’s exactly what Elizabeth Johnson did, which you would know if you had bothered to read her response to the bishops.

Now you’re just making stuff up, and acting abusive.

If you had taken the time to think before you wrote, you wouldn’t have said this.

Finally you make an intelligible statement. READ HER RESPONSE!
I am at a loss for this type of reaction. So to avoid more of it, let me be clear.

I have read her response. Several times in fact. So no I am not making anything up.

I’ll cut you a break on calling me abusive. But objectively I was not doing so; coming off as puts this squarely in the realm of interpretation. Over-sensitive (say), I am willing to entertain. But let’s chill on that in any event, OK?

The Sister is still punting. The ball is in her court, even if the Bishops did misinterpret her. Her solution to this is to converse with them until they get the proper clarification. While strictly speaking that might yield a statement to the fact that OK, her book is objectively acceptable for its intended use, it completely avoids the fact that the book still presents a tangible danger of the reader being misled. It is at best highly imprudent to clarify the issues only to the Bishops, because that still leaves issues with future readers.

Think about this scenario. What if a dialog like she wants does take place, and the Bishops see where she is coming from…what will then likely happen? Almost surely the response will be: OK we see these points now, so now make those same clarifications in your book. While she may not be objectively wrong to want to go only that route, it still doesn’t look good. Even just a public statement that she will cooperate in revising the text to be acceptable. Her statement merely expresses desire to converse with the folks who formally criticized her work. (I will consider the very remote possibility that the glittering generalities of her closing remarks in the statement include an implicit promise to revise her work to address the issues or ambiguities. But if so the entire vague, hand-waving tone supports the hypothesis that she is a poor writer - and thus even more so that her book would be very well served to be significantly revised).

When my boss tells me “I am not sure what you’re saying, but this may give people the wrong impression”, naturally my immediate response is to clarify to him. But the main response is always to revise the content to avoid others’ similar confusion, to make it clearer up front what the message is. So even if I was right, it would behoove me to say things in a different way. I do not yet see any of that same sentiment from the Sister that appears genuine.

A more egregious example of the same issue is with Roxanne Martino at Notre Dame. I actually was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt about keeping track of where her charitable spending ends up. But she AFAIK has not made any post hoc repudiation of her benefactee or admitted her support was a grave mistake, even if only a grave oversight. Rather it (only) was the undue attention and controversy. The best we can say of Martino now is that she might be simply extraordinarily prideful and stubborn. I am not yet willing to sell you a bridge if you believe that, but I would a toll booth.

I give Johnson plenty benefit of the doubt for now. But so long as we think it was all a simple misunderstanding, even my peabrain can see the huge merit in fessing up to having to bring the text into compliance with the Bishops’ concerns. And Johnson clearly has more than a peabrain, so her obtuseness in this matter is all the more puzzling.

I’ll try a slightly different segue here. You write as if you are quite familiar with her, certainly with her work but perhaps with her personally. If you are, would you be willing to share anything about her personality? Something which may make her reaction seem less problematic? I am being flippant or anything, I would genuinely like to know more about her personally if you actually knew her. You certainly don’t have to reveal anything which would endanger your own privacy, either.
 
The Sister is still punting. The ball is in her court, even if the Bishops did misinterpret her

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No, Dr. Johnson has given her response.
it completely avoids the fact that the book still presents a tangible danger of the reader being misled. It is at best highly imprudent to clarify the issues only to the Bishops, because that still leaves issues with future readers.
 
No, Dr. Johnson has given her response.
Clarification, please. Is this the response you are referring to?
Elizabeth Johnson’s Response

Posted at: Thursday, March 31, 2011 03:24:03 PM
Author: James Martin, S.J.

Here is a statement from Elizabeth Johnson, CSJ, in response to the critique of her book* Quest for the Living God* by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Committee for Doctrine. (See blogpost below for more details and comments on Daniel Horan, OFM’s site for another reflection.)

Response by Dr. Elizabeth Johnson C.S.J., March 30, 2011:

It is heartening to see the Bishops Conference give such serious attention to the subject of the living God. I appreciate how this statement acknowledges the laudable nature of the task of crafting a theology of God, and the number of issues on which the statement judges that I am “entirely correct.” The book itself endeavors to present new insights about God arising from people living out their Catholic faith in different cultures around the world. My hope is that any conversation that may be triggered by this statement will but enrich that faith, encouraging robust relationship to the Holy Mystery of the living God as the church moves into the future.

I would like to express two serious concerns. First, I would have been glad to enter into conversation to clarify critical points, but was never invited to do so. This book was discussed and finally assessed by the Committee before I knew any discussion had taken place. Second, one result of this absence of dialogue is that in several key instances this statement radically misinterprets what I think, and what I in fact wrote. The conclusions thus drawn paint an incorrect picture of the fundamental line of thought the book develops. A conversation, which I still hope to have, would have very likely avoided these misrepresentations.

That being said, as a scholar I have always taken criticism as a valuable opportunity to delve more deeply into a subject. The task of theology, classically defined as “faith seeking understanding,” calls for theologians to wrestle with mystery. The issues are always complex, especially on frontiers where the church’s living tradition is growing. Committed to the faith of the church, I take this statement as an occasion to ponder yet further the mystery of the living God who is ineffable.
At this time I will make no further statements nor give any interviews.

https://www.americamagazine.org/blog/entry.cfm?blog_id=2&entry_id=4072

Have you read this link posted by Dale_M http://www.usccb.org/doctrine/statement-quest-for-the-living-god-2011-03-24.pdf
 
Elizabeth Johnson’s Quest for the Living God is not confusing to anyone capable of reading and understanding theology (which includes most of my undergraduate students). The book is being used successfully in hundreds of theology courses in the U.S., and abroad. Admittedly, it does include some four syllable words, but I require my students to use dictionaries while reading it, and such words become springboards for rich class discussions. This matter of episcopal censure is a tempest in a teapot, probably manufactured to distract us from more serious issues.
In order to better understand the issues involved –

What is modern theism?
 
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