US Catholic Parish set to "Publicly Bless the Relationship of Same-Sex Couples"

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Gertabelle said:
I’m just speaking from my own experience here, but I think a parish’s stated belief does make a difference. When I was in college my best friend committed suicide, and my therapist got me “recovering memories” of things that never happened (incest, etc.). Lordy was I one confused pup. And to add to my troubles, our new campus minister was a woman who personally trying to transform the Catholic Church to her liking – with the assistance of the priests and lay ministers.

I was surrounded by people who told me to consider all life choices as equal in the eyes of God. And in the confusion of losing my dearest friend, and of all the nonsense my therapist was feeding me, I chose to call myself a lesbian and act on it.

Thus began the most miserable years of my life. I gradually moved further and further away from my true self and from my faith. I flitted from relationship to relationship, until I entered one that lasted eight years. That’s stable, right? And I was miserable.

I returned to the Church just over a year ago, and I can’t begin to describe the peace and happiness I have experienced being an orthodox Catholic. I’ve embraced that part of me that felt lost and was yearning for God all those years.

God has my soul now, and I know, I remember, my purpose in life. But I’m also 40 years old and a single mom. My heart aches for the years I wasted wandering around looking for what I’d had all along – at least until I was encouraged to leave it. And I do have to fight bitterness at times towards the people who encouraged me to walk my own path (well, their idea of my own path) – a path that caused me so much pain.

My heart is filled with compassion and tenderness towards those with SSA. I know the pain, and I know the struggles. This is no matter to throw in someone’s face – which is what caused my friend’s suicide in the first place. But I just wish that I could have been surrounded by brothers and sisters in Christ who would have listened with compassion and shared some of their strength with me through those days, who could have helped me see and face the fears and hurt that were causing me confusion.

In short, I needed people to remind me of who I was while I was reeling from my circumstances. I didn’t need a bunch of people telling me that I should just follow whatever whim came to me and God would understand. They were so busy supporting their “lesbian friend” that they didn’t help me hear my heart, which was always calling out for God, and His teachings and path through the Church.

So yes, a public statement like this DOES make a difference. And I’m just one of the souls that would have been lost had it not been for God’s grace.

Just my story and my opinion.
Gertie
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Great post! Thanks Gertabelle.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
All schisms from the Catholic Church and sub-schisms never change the theological definition of God.
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Yes, and all those who are schismatic have a wrong intepretation of God.
I accept that Rome has authority
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No you don’t, or else you would listen to that authority.
but it is also a human authority here on earth. And as such they have fallibilities, such is life.
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The infallibility of the Church is one of the oldest defined Truths regarding the Church. It is the bedrock Truth in which all of Catholicism is based upon. Without, there is nothing! It comes from the Bible for crying out loud. To reject this is to cease to be Catholic. The rejection of the infallibility of the Church is the entire basis for protestantism, and what the protestants in fact protested about.
The core of the Catholic faith is the Synoptic Gospels, correct?
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Yes, but that doesn’t mean we should throw out the rest of the Bible. There was a defined canon for a reason.
Well, nothing is mentioned about same-gender preferences in them. The rest of the Bible is written by a diverse group of people with human fallibilities coming through the writing.
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This is most absolutely not what the Church believes. Once again you are setting yourself up as your own Magisterium. The Church firmly believes that the ENTIRE Bible is inspired and is without error. The Bible is not at all ambigious about homosexuality, and neither is the Church in her teachings. You cannot be a Catholic and believe it is okay to be gay.
 
SemperFidelis said:
Yes, and all those who are schismatic have a wrong intepretation of God.

No you don’t, or else you would listen to that authority.

The infallibility of the Church is one of the oldest defined Truths regarding the Church. It is the bedrock Truth in which all of Catholicism is based upon. Without, there is nothing! It comes from the Bible for crying out loud. To reject this is to cease to be Catholic. This is the entire basis for protestantism, and what the protestants in fact protested about.

Yes, but that doesn’t mean we should throw out the rest of the Bible. There was a defined canon for a reason.

This is most absolutely not what the Church believes. Once again you are setting yourself up as your own Magisterium. The Church firmly believes that the ENTIRE Bible is inspired and is without error. The Bible is not at all ambigious about homosexuality, and neither is the Church in her teachings. You cannot be a Catholic and believe it is okay to be gay.
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Formally, “infallibility” was not declared until Vatican I, in the 1860’s. And even then ex cathedra has rarely been invoked and not on this matter at all.

“Without error” is ignoring the history of the Bible. It has been translated many times through many languages. Even today there are many discussions about translations about many writings (e.g. Latin to English).

“Authority” and all that relates to it dives deep into responsibility. “Authority” in the history of the church also has the fallibilities of humanity in it. Does this make it bad? No, of course not, but it needs to be taken into account when referring to it. It means that statements from authorities need to be weighted with the human fallibilities worked in and considered, hardly an easy or simple process.

What is the focal point of all masses (NO and TLM)? The Synoptic Gospels of course. Yes, we refer to other parts at other parts of the year but they are always shown as secondary in the teachings of each mass for each day. The focal points are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The Snyoptic Gospels speak out unity, looking beyond differences, etc…
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Formally, “infallibility” was not declared until Vatican I, in the 1860’s. And even then ex cathedra has rarely been invoked and not on this matter at all.
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Uh, hate to break it to you, but that was Papal Infallibility. The Infallibility of the Church is as old as the Church itself.
“Without error” is ignoring the history of the Bible. It has been translated many times through many languages. Even today there are many discussions about translations about many writings (e.g. Latin to English).
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What’s your point? That originally the Bible said homosexuality was okay?
“Authority” and all that relates to it dives deep into responsibility. “Authority” in the history of the church also has the fallibilities of humanity in it.
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If you think this, then you are not Catholic. I am done with you.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
These are views on the pew level of the church.
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No, it’s not. Have you ever read the Catechism of the Catholic Church?
“Official” writings in the church are diverse and what we are debate here are not ex cathedra/infallible.
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Please show me an official statement from the Catholic Church – e.g., a papal encyclical – that says that same-sex unions are A-OK.
I have read much of what has been discussed, and there are opinions that go both ways in the theological discussions on this “issue”. I have had personal contact with many with same-gender preferences, they are normal people just like you and me.
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Of course they are. We all have sinful desires. It’s called being human. No one is disputing that.
Who they are attracted to is not “disordered” or “sinful”, they are who they are.
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Now you’re just feeding into the lies that society feeds you. SSA is definitely disordered, and while the attraction itself is not sinful, acting on it most definitely is.
Chastising will only hurt and breed division instead of trying to find unity.
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'“Unity” does not mean “telling people it’s okay to sin.” Unity will only come when those who call themselves Catholic accept and try to abide by **all **of the teachings of the Church on faith and morals.
If you ask a hundred different Catholics on what would make them “apostate”, you would get a hundred different answers, one of the diverse strengths of the Church.
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Truth is not determined by majority vote, as B16 has said.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Same-gender couples have been married in the Episipocal Church for many years. I see no problems with those who have done it Any problems have been from differences of opinions from members, but no earth shattering collapse on the personal level of any couple that has been blessed.
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YOU see no problems with it as you don’t accept the Teachings of the One Holy Catholic, Apostolic Faith. Homosexuality is clearly condemned by our Church. We may all have opinions but then there is revealed truth and God has spoken.
 
childofmary1143 said:
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NewUlm you don’t see the problems? Then you don’t read the papers and see their communities being torn apart. The fall out is going to last more years then the “feel” good benefit of blessing these couples. We will be reading of law suits and other situations.
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NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Same-gender couples have been married in the Episipocal Church for many years. I see no problems with those who have done it Any problems have been from differences of opinions from members, but no earth shattering collapse on the personal level of any couple that has been blessed.
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You don’t think eternity in Hell is a ‘problem’?
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
“Authority” and all that relates to it dives deep into responsibility. “Authority” in the history of the church also has the fallibilities of humanity in it. Does this make it bad? No, of course not, but it needs to be taken into account when referring to it. It means that statements from authorities need to be weighted with the human fallibilities worked in and considered, hardly an easy or simple process.
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NewUlm,

Obedience is part of our faith. I had many problems with obedience as well. It was through much prayer and daily receipt of Eucharist that helped. I suggest you try both.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
That link doesn’t go to a statement of reconciliation. Maybe they got some common sense and changed their minds? 👍
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Lets hope, but I’ve learned to never have my expectations too high.

Oh, and did you see the “Labyrinth” in the middle of their church? Very introspective I must say. Although supposedly St. Francis Cabrini’s is a Catholic church, and Jesus should be present in the Tabernacle (wherever that may be), if they were ever taught that teaching over the last few decades that is. As with the traditional and biblical Christian understanding of marriage and human sexuality.
 
SemperFidelis said:
The infallibility of the Church is one of the oldest defined Truths regarding the Church. It is the bedrock Truth in which all of Catholicism is based upon. Without, there is nothing! It comes from the Bible for crying out loud. To reject this is to cease to be Catholic. The rejection of the infallibility of the Church is the entire basis for protestantism, and what the protestants in fact protested about.
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Bingo. Oh boy, reading this thread brings back bad memories. My old diocese seems so ungrounded at times! Is Catholic doctrine deemed “true” simply because the Vatican says so? Or is objective truth the rock upon which Catholic doctrine is based? Obviously the latter! The Holy Spirit protects and guides the Church - do they understand they are implying God is wrong?

Arguing for Catholic sanctioning of same sex relationships is like trying to polish a turd.

Tim
 
That “Blessing” is an offense against God in His House.
 
catholicparents.org/news/dissentingchurches.html

Catholic Parents Online warn of the orginization that these parishes have welcomed with open arms. Please read.

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**POPE CALLS BISHOPS TO PUBLICLY REPRIMAND DISSENTERS FROM CHURCH’S MORAL TEACHING **
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***Strongly Implies Dissent is at the Root of the Scandals and Must be Bishops’ First Priority *
ROME, April 26, 2002 (LSN. ca) - At the conclusion of the meeting between Pope John Paul II and the Cardinals of the United States Wednesday, the pope called on the “Pastors of the Church” to “publicly…reprimand individuals who spread dissent.” …Number one on the pope’s list of suggested changes was “the Pastors of the Church need clearly to promote the correct moral teaching of the Church and publicly to reprimand individuals who spread dissent and groups which advance ambiguous approaches to pastoral care.”
 
It really doesn’t surprise me. Maybe a little that it did not come from San Francisco first. These liberals will change and do anything they want and get away with it. Marriage is a sacramet between man and woman insituted by Christ. On Earth the libs don’t care as long as they get their way. But there will come a day and they do not know the hour. May God have mercy. I hope our Bishops wake up and start addressing the liberal agenda and the democrat policitions. I don’t hear them.
 
KathleenElsie said:
lifesite.net/ldn/2007/nov/07112807.html
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Smoke of satan in the church. Holy Spirit protect and shield the Marian Movement of Priests and all good priests from these subversive, evil priests.

Sancte Michael Archangele defendenos in proelio, contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli, esto praesidium.
Imperet illi Deus, suplices deprecamur, tuque princeps militae celestis, Satanam aliosque spiritus malignos, qui ad perditionem animarum pervagantur in mundo, divina virtute in infernum detrude. Amen.
 
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