US fast-food workers staging nationwide strike

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Cricket2 said:
But so many seem to think or imply that they are wrong to strike. This is precisely why they are striking. For some this is their sole employment and they can do no better. Why should anyone have to be paid poverty wages and be expected to accept that as OK or fair? It is not.
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They ARE wrong to strike. As we have all repeatedly said before, if they want better pay, they should find a new job that pays better, not demand better pay from their current one for absolutely nothing in return. Don’t give me this “they can do no better” carp. Of course they can. As has also been explained to you, many of us right here have been where they are before. We got out of it through HARD WORK, not whining. Paying them more is not going to fix anything. In fact, it will only make it worse.

You really do need to go back through this thread and read our earlier responses to your posts. All of this has been covered in detail by multiple people already. Ignoring what we have already said and repeating yourself like a broken record does not help either party in this conversation.
 
Farsight001 said:
They ARE wrong to strike.
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I wouldn’t say they are wrong to strike, they may be foolish, but I don’t see anything wrong with telling an employer to pay you more or you won’t show up to work. The worker could get replaced but that is the risk they take.
As we have all repeatedly said before, if they want better pay, they should find a new job that pays better, not demand better pay from their current one for absolutely nothing in return.
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There is nothing wrong with asking for more money, the employer may not give it, but there is no reason to assume that the employer is paying that most that he is willing to pay.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
I wouldn’t say they are wrong to strike, they may be foolish, but I don’t see anything wrong with telling an employer to pay you more or you won’t show up to work. The worker could get replaced but that is the risk they take.

There is nothing wrong with asking for more money, the employer may not give it, but there is no reason to assume that the employer is paying that most that he is willing to pay.
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You are right about that. I guess I exaggerated. I would probably better say that they have not earned better pay. After I finished my first college degree, I got a job at a hospital. Starting pay was $12/hour - for a degreed position. if 12 is all I deserve for starting pay with a degree, there is no way a job as simple (not easy, but simple) as flipping burgers, which doesn’t really even require a high school diploma to be good at deserves to get paid more.
 
Farsight001 said:
You are right about that. I guess I exaggerated. I would probably better say that they have not earned better pay. After I finished my first college degree, I got a job at a hospital. Starting pay was $12/hour - for a degreed position. if 12 is all I deserve for starting pay with a degree, there is no way a job as simple (not easy, but simple) as flipping burgers, which doesn’t really even require a high school diploma to be good at deserves to get paid more.
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I get a bit uncomfortable with the idea of how much someone deserves to get paid, because that is very subjective. For example, Walmart workers in North Dakota (in some areas) make $17 an hour. Do they deserve that? I don’t know, but they certainly have their employer over a barrel, so they can demand it and get away with it.

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stevegravy said:
How stingy, 9.13/hr. indeed, why not 119.13/hr.; what justification is there to keep unskilled- labor in slave pay. Where is the liberal outrage over the economic rape of the untrained, untalented and mostly not to bright labors flipping our burgers?
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The biggest measure of a person is how they treat their underlings.

You should be absolutely ashamed. I flipped burgers for a year and a half; how does that automatically make me "untalented and mostly not too bright?
 
Lochias said:
The biggest measure of a person is how they treat their underlings.

You should be absolutely ashamed. I flipped burgers for a year and a half; how does that automatically make me "untalented and mostly not too bright?
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Agreed. Like you, I have done my share of flipping in the past. Perhaps it would be better to recognize that person’s efforts to remain employed.
 
Lochias said:
The biggest measure of a person is how they treat their underlings.
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I think what this thread is missing (and other threads like it) is the sense that “there, but for the Grace of God, go I.”

Yes, many of us once held minimum wage jobs, and now are doing better. Yes, we worked hard and got an education, but we also need to recognize the support we had (from family or things like the GI Bill) and we need to be thankful to God for health and intelligence.

It does our argument no good, if, as Christians, we talk about others as if they are less worthy of dignity because they are still in a place we once were. Or perhaps a place we have never had to be.

Legal action on the minimum wage may not be the best possible plan, but assumming that lower-wage workers are always lazy and businesses are always being fair to their employees is not the wisest course either.
 
oldcelt said:
Agreed. Like you, I have done my share of flipping in the past. Perhaps it would be better to recognize that person’s efforts to remain employed.
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Agreed.
Mrs_Sally said:
I think what this thread is missing (and other threads like it) is the sense that “there, but for the Grace of God, go I.”

Yes, many of us once held minimum wage jobs, and now are doing better. Yes, we worked hard and got an education, but we also need to recognize the support we had (from family or things like the GI Bill) and we need to be thankful to God for health and intelligence.

It does our argument no good, if, as Christians, we talk about others as if they are less worthy of dignity because they are still in a place we once were. Or perhaps a place we have never had to be.

Legal action on the minimum wage may not be the best possible plan, but assumming that lower-wage workers are always lazy and businesses are always being fair to their employees is not the wisest course either.
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This post, especially the part I bolded, gets across very well what I have been trying to get across for so long.

Many people here who scoff at those who are terrified and hopeless in their current circumstances quite obviously never had to be in that place, or else they wouldn’t have hearts that are two sizes too small. The people who fall through the cracks aren’t asking to be coasting along the rest of their lives - who could live that way and feel like their own person? - but they are asking for help that family, friends, luck, their own world, was never able to provide them.

Nobody got where they are on their own. Absolutely nobody.
 
It’s worth noting modern fast food joints don’t even have burger flippers; that would require a grill or griddle.

Most are popped into a microwave.

A more accurate term would be, “burger button banger”.
 
Lochias said:
Agreed.

This post, especially the part I bolded, gets across very well what I have been trying to get across for so long.

Many people here who scoff at those who are terrified and hopeless in their current circumstances quite obviously never had to be in that place, or else they wouldn’t have hearts that are two sizes too small. The people who fall through the cracks aren’t asking to be coasting along the rest of their lives - who could live that way and feel like their own person? - but they are asking for help that family, friends, luck, their own world, was never able to provide them.

Nobody got where they are on their own. Absolutely nobody.
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No, we scoff because we HAVE been in that place. We DO care. Giving us handouts didn’t actually help, and giving them handouts won’t help either. Have you not read the multitude of posts right here in this thread of people who have been in all sorts of difficult situations themselves? And you accuse us of having hearts that are too small? How dare you trivialize what we have been through and treat us like we were all born with a silver spoon in our hands. 😦
 
Mrs_Sally said:
I think what this thread is missing (and other threads like it) is the sense that “there, but for the Grace of God, go I.”

Yes, many of us once held minimum wage jobs, and now are doing better. Yes, we worked hard and got an education, but we also need to recognize the support we had (from family or things like the GI Bill) and we need to be thankful to God for health and intelligence.

It does our argument no good, if, as Christians, we talk about others as if they are less worthy of dignity because they are still in a place we once were. Or perhaps a place we have never had to be.

Legal action on the minimum wage may not be the best possible plan, but assumming that lower-wage workers are always lazy and businesses are always being fair to their employees is not the wisest course either.
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True.

Likewise, assuming anyone not supporting the methods or demands employed by the workers is a greedy, Anti-Christian corparatist, as is the tone of most of the posts isnnot the wisest course either. Likewise, pretending that anyone’s station in life, good or bad, is no fault of their own is unfair and an overgeneralization.

It cuts both ways.
 
Geist said:
Microwaves and heat lamps.

No one in most fast food restaurants is standing over a grease spitting griddle.
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Wendy’s does not do this. They use those flat metal grills, and no heat lamps.
 
Geist said:
Microwaves and heat lamps.

No one in most fast food restaurants is standing over a grease spitting griddle.
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Not true for McDs. They have this awesome device that looks kinda like a really big stainless steal George Foreman grill thing. You toss the premade burgers on, close the lid, set the timer and voila…burgers. Which then get put in a warmer until someone wants a burger.

Most of the work is taken out, but there is still some assembly required.
 
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