If everyone who is well-off had been in that “exact position”, they’d still be poor.
I agree with you fully. Certainly some folks are working for extra pay and the wage is no big deal for them. But for most it is the only job they can get or ever have. People are all gifted differently, and all of us have some sort of limitation. But there are some folks who’s limitations keep them “at the bottom” no matter how hard they work.
Well…We’ll just forbid them from closing.I’m sure that regulation is coming next.
You assume none of us have experience in minimum wage jobs, I worked in a slaughterhouse and literally shoveled guts for minimum wage when I was in college. Of course now I will mocked for telling a “pull yourself bootstraps story”After reading this entire thread, the only thing I’m certain of is that some people (And you know who you are) have no clue what people are going through. The amount of un-Christian comments in this thread is deeply shocking, and downright painful to read, especially considering it is the Advent season!
I think the one thing everyone here could benefit from is to see it from the fast-food workers position, because nobody on the other side is doing that.
To everyone struggling to make ends meet: You are in my prayers.
No. Placing blame where it SHOULD be placed.
You demanded I prove something that WASN’T MY POSITION. I already explained this. Did you even read anything I said?
Sure we would. All those poor people demanding a better lot in life without being willing to do hard work to get it will remain poor, which is exactly what’s happening in this situation. They’re demanding better pay for their “career” at mcdonalds, when the real and proven effective ways to escape poverty are things like getting a loan, taking night classes, and getting a degree, or working very hard to move up the ranks at work, or sending out 5 applications a day after work to find a better paying job.
You said you didn’t believe me when I said i had been homeless and had spent a night out in sub-freezing weather (which is not abject poverty, btw). That is the DEFINITION of calling me a liar.
In what universe? Do you honestly think that once you are poor, there is nothing you can do yourself to stop it? That other people have to get you out of poverty for you? That’s exactly the mentality that many poor have that keeps them there.
Not always because poor don’t always know the most effective way to create that change. Those methods, by the way, have been explained in detail in this thread by me and others. They are the same methods we used to get out of poverty.
False. The real problem is that most do not know HOW to change things. Several of those proven-effective methods have been provided here, and you and others have insinuated that we are uncaring and selfish for suggesting the poor try the very same methods we used when we were poor.
You can’t pull yourself up by our own bootstraps even if you do have them - physics makes that impossible. You appear to have missed the meaning of the phrase “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps”.
Then you should get some understanding and empathy.
For some, yes. It’s like asking a quadriplegic to climb out of a ten-foot pit without help.
And for others, there is simply no other choice. I will repeat it until it finally sinks in.
Except where those methods aren’t available. I will repeat it until it sinks in.
Except where those methods aren’t available. I will repeat it until it sinks in.
Except where those methods aren’t available. I will repeat it until it sinks in.
Don’t play games with me. You know what the phrase means.
You first.
But that doesn’t mean that person is entitled to have a business owner support them via paying a wage higher than their skill set supports. I do certainly believe that society has an obligation to help these people, but it must be done properly. Imposing a living wage is not only the wrong way to go about things, but it makes the problem worse, specifically by pushing those with the lowest skill set out of a job. Don’t take action that harms the people that it is supposed to help; that is truly un-Christian. Governmental programs specifically geared toward helping those truly in need (unlike the abusive system we have now), help from non-profit organizations, charitable contributions (including from businesses), etc. are the way to go.
These programs fail more often than not. I speak from bitter experience. They failed my family, miserably.
And you would be wrong about that. Hard work is what you really need.
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And helping the poor does not mean doing it all for them. It means HELPING them. You can only help someone who is already trying. If they aren’t trying, then whatever you do is not “help”, its just doing it for them.
Well its not going to sink it because it is patently false in every way.
I do. But as I already pointed out, you appear not to.
I already have lots of compassion and empathy. That’s why I’ve been here helping by posting tangible and proven effective plans for getting out of poverty, while all you’ve been doing is insinuating that everyone else here is heartless and self-centered.
I think it needs to go one step further than that…individuals. Responsibility to help the poor shouldn’t be abdicated to the government, employers or anyone else, even with the things that have to be done by the goverment, etc.
I’m well aware of that. Many of these programs have to be reorganized and made cost effective. However, raising the minimum wage to a living wage, forcing those at the lower rung of the pay scale out of a job, is even less effective.
When people wish to overcome their disabilities, and take action to do so, they can overcome. One of my relatives is a paraplegic; was involved in an auto accident when she was a young adult. Since that event, she has raised a child, obtained her master’s degree, and is the head of a department.
This is spot on. Many people work these jobs because they have no skills, but want/need some extra cash, and realize that these jobs are usually just a stepping stone to something else.My first job was delivering papers when I was 12. I wouldn’t been nice if I could’ve been paid a living wage. I could’ve moved out of the house.
I worked in fast food all through college. NOBODY…I repeat…NOBODY…that worked there in a nonmanagement position considered it a job that would support a family. It was pocket cash for high school and college kids, and also a second income for some (generally younger) married woman.
Under management level, it a job that requires very little skill for entry, which means everyone can do it. When demand for a job vastly exceeds supply, and the job requires virtually no skill set, it means pay will be low, low, low…and everyone that worked there knew this. At what point in time did a fast-food job become a job where one must get paid a living wage?
People that worked in fast food also knew something else: They can make a living wage, provided they go into management. When I graduated college I was BEGGED by the company to become a manager. And interestingly enough, I would’ve started at more than double my first job out of college that required a college degree. But I was willing to sacrifice in the beginning to benefit in the end. One of my associates stayed and became a regional manager, and they make plenty of money.
People that take the easy path in any job, requiring a low skill set and tons of competition, are not going to be paid much…that basic economics.
People don’t realize that the people at McDonalds probably get paid a fair wage for the level of skills and services they provide customers.
At some point, we have to expect people to start fishing on their own. If we keep giving people fish, there will be none left for those that actually need it.
So we give people 13 years of free public education, and then have government backed loans and financial aide (and if they are poor enough they will get significant aide) for them to go to college. And many community colleges offer remedial courses for people to catch up.
Not always. My own example is one of my siblings who, because of severe illness and seizures that state healthcare has been left largely untreated for 20 years, now lacks the short-term memory to be able to go to school.
