US General: We Can Successfully Attack Iran

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SamH said:
Hardly.

Load a nuke in a shipping container and set it off in NY Harbor, or Los Angeles, or Seattle. Or put it in one of the old Soviet diesel subs they have and do the same.
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The nuke would have to be detinated at a preferably high altitude for it to be an effective EMP
 
SamH said:
Gas prices only leaped AFTER the democrats took control of the House and Senate in 2006. Nancy Pelosi said now they would do something about gas costing $2.00 a gallon. Apparently they did because it immediately went up to to $4.00 a gallon.
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I’m talking about what happens after the Strait of Hormuz gets closed—or, alternately, when the insurance underwriters of those oil tankers start raising their insurance rates. The naval threat posed by Iran and its assymetrical naval war-fighting doctrine will not be resolved quickly. They’ve got plenty of small boats, plenty of bombs to go in them, and plenty of fanatics willing to die to attack American shipping.

And I remember very distinctly that gas around here was hitting nearly $4 a gallon BEFORE the election.
 
colmywaykurtz said:
But far enough away for them to get under cover in time, should the winds shift the “wrong” way.

Now, wouldn’t that be a pretty picture? Americans and upper-class Arabs huddling safely in reinforced concrete buildings and taking preventive drugs while ordinary people in those countries come down with radiation sickness.

I’ve got a feeling it would endear neither Americans nor their client regimes in those countries to the rank-and-file citizenry.
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Israel doesn’t need nukes to get to Iran’s program if they want to.
 
colmywaykurtz said:
I’m talking about what happens after the Strait of Hormuz gets closed—or, alternately, when the insurance underwriters of those oil tankers start raising their insurance rates. The naval threat posed by Iran and its assymetrical naval war-fighting doctrine will not be resolved quickly. They’ve got plenty of small boats, plenty of bombs to go in them, and plenty of fanatics willing to die to attack American shipping.

And I remember very distinctly that gas around here was hitting nearly $4 a gallon BEFORE the election.
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What you remember and what actually happened are two different things.

Average national price per gallon in late **January 2007 $2.14 **per gallon.

blogs.opisnet.com/archive/2007/01/26/gasoline-pump-prices-increase-after-20-day-streak-lower.aspx

Early January many psrts of the nation were below $2.00 a gallon

blogs.opisnet.com/archive/2007/01/08/some-gas-prices-dip-below-2-00-gal.aspx

By May 2007 gas was at $3.41 per gallon.

money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
 
SamH said:
What you remember and what actually happened are two different things.

Average national price per gallon in late **January 2007 $2.14 **per gallon.

blogs.opisnet.com/archive/2007/01/26/gasoline-pump-prices-increase-after-20-day-streak-lower.aspx

Early January many psrts of the nation were below $2.00 a gallon

blogs.opisnet.com/archive/2007/01/08/some-gas-prices-dip-below-2-00-gal.aspx

By May 2007 gas was at $3.41 per gallon.

money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
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This says differently: money.cnn.com/2008/03/10/news/economy/gas_prices/index.htm
 
Monte_RCMS said:
An EMP strike would be really easy … and send the United States back to the mid-1800’s in an instant. [Everything that works on electricity would be fried.] Except that we had coal fired steam railroads back then; and all those coal fired locomotives were melted down 50 years ago.
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This is not even remotely true.

Pax,
OA
 
SamH said:
Hardly.

Load a nuke in a shipping container and set it off in NY Harbor, or Los Angeles, or Seattle. Or put it in one of the old Soviet diesel subs they have and do the same.
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This is the type of speculating that drives the military folks insane. Could a nuke be loaded into a container (by anyone)? Technically yes. But it’s not easy and there is zero chance Iran would do it.

Could Iran use one of its diesel submarines to launch a nuclear attack? No. They don’t have that capability.

Pax,
OA
 
Orleans_Attny said:
This is the type of speculating that drives the military folks insane. Could a nuke be loaded into a container (by anyone)? Technically yes. But it’s not easy and there is zero chance Iran would do it.

Could Iran use one of its diesel submarines to launch a nuclear attack? No. They don’t have that capability.

Pax,
OA
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I’ve noticed that it does tend to be non-military folks who encourage this kind of drum-beating most often. I’m not entirely sure why that is, but it certainly seems to hold true most of the time. 🤷

Peace and God bless!

P.S. Full disclosure, I’m not a military person and never have been. I was raised to distrust the military POV (my mother’s side is a military family and she had a lot of resentment towards the views of her father), but I’ve definitely come to appreciate the sober view of reality I’ve seen from most military personnel and my “inculturated animus” has been pretty much wiped away.
 
Ghosty said:
I’ve noticed that it does tend to be non-military folks who encourage this kind of drum-beating most often.
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I’ve noticed that too.

Also the most supported candidate by the military is Ron Paul, I find that interesting.
 
HailHolyQueen90 said:
I’ve noticed that too.

Also the most supported candidate by the military is Ron Paul, I find that interesting.
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I think there are good reasons for that, but there are several threads about Ron Paul already so I won’t derail this one. 🙂

Peace and God bless!
 
I find it interesting that people are constantly persuaded that these third world nations are a threat to us. It’s like saying that Tibet is a threat to China or Afghanistan is a threat to Russia. How can we seriously believe these things?
 
Ghosty said:
There is no way Iran is capable of launching an EMP strike on the U.S. No way. Even if by some miracle they could, it wouldn’t be big enough to shut us down; I’m not buying EMP strikes as the new “yellow cake”.

Iran will continue to pursue nukes because it’s a smart strategy. Only two things could stop it: an immoral, bankrupting invasion by the U.S., or surgical strikes by Israel. Israel is a big boy, and more than capable of acting if needed. Let Israel watch out for its interests and put the war drums away.

Peace and God bless!
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Put some Scud missiles on the deck of a tubby ship.

Launch the nuclear tipped Scud missiles straight up from a location 50 miles off the U.S. coast.

Detonate them at 200 miles up.

Every electrical device out to the visual horizon is toast. Fried. Gone.

Done deal.

Iran has already practiced launching Scuds from ships.

Done deal.
 
How does Iran get a ship that close without alerting our navy? Better yet, what’s their strategy after that? Get annihilated by the US? Whenever this stuff is brought up, the end game is conveniently ignored.
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
How does Iran get a ship that close without alerting our navy? Better yet, what’s their strategy after that? Get annihilated by the US? Whenever this stuff is brought up, the end game is conveniently ignored.
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How about how does Iran get a 1 megaton nuclear device (the size necessary for a serious EMP attack) into a SCUD missile warhead (~50 kilotons) in the first place? It’s fantasy from the word go, and irresponsible fantasy in that it is being used to advocate very real military action that will kill our service men and women.

Peace and God bless!
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
I find it interesting that people are constantly persuaded that these third world nations are a threat to us. It’s like saying that Tibet is a threat to China or Afghanistan is a threat to Russia. How can we seriously believe these things?
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They are not a threat to me because my car runs on cold tap water.
 
Darryl1958 said:
They are not a threat to me because my car runs on cold tap water.
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How did we ever survive the embargo in the 70s? Oh that’s right, we stupidly instituted price controls and rationing instead of just letting prices rise to encourage domestic drilling. Do you know how much oil this country has?
 
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