US Presidential Election Debate #1

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kimmielittle said:
IMO If Mr Obama loses…The socialists will turn on him, like rabid rats. It will be ALL his fault.
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Obama seemed to know tonight that the charm wasn’t going to get him through the debate. he seemed subdued and for the first time he did not have that smug look on his face. i thought at the beginning when he spoke to Michelle, he looked kind of creepy. it was weird. i know it was their anniversary and he was trying to be funny, but it came across as kind of weird to me.

who knows what those who have supported Obama on his fast ride to the White House have up there sleeve. they might turn on him, but they might also have other plans for him.
 
HansTrappist said:
The one interesting psychological observation I made of Mr. Obama, was that he didn’t quite know how to react to Mr. Romney taking control of the debate. There were times when Romney looked directly at Obama in answering some point, and talked to Obama as an adult would talk to a child. That was my overall impression of this debate: a debate between an adult and a child. I guess when you are President long enough, you get used to being the Boss. When a bigger Boss comes along, it puts you out of your element.
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An excellent point. I heard the same thing (listening to it on the radio while working). Romney showed his command of the economic issues while Obama showed how uneasy and ineffective he is when taken out of his comfort zone where he doesn’t control the situation.

Ishii
 
Vangaurdian said:
Not only does Romney want to tax you for having kids, he wants you to be taxed for being married.

taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/romney-plan.cfm

Again,
Please provide a link to the contrary.
Valid, unbiased source please.
😉
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Based on the campaign’s summary and Gov. Romney’s statements, TPC assumes that the 2001-03 tax cuts become permanent but that temporary tax cuts enacted in 2009 and 2010 are allowed to expire. Provisions that are permanently extended include marriage penalty relief, the 0 percent and15 percent tax rates on long-term capital gains and qualified dividends, and the higher amounts and increased refundability of the earned income tax credit and child tax credit enacted in 2001. T
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Assumptions still don’t count as facts…sorry Vangaurdian.
 
Hey,
At least three sources have been provided now.
Not to mention he admitted it during the debate.

Doesn’t faux news have anything to the contrary you could dig up?
🙂

I’m not as closed minded as some here…
I’m choosing to be charitable.
 
Had to attend a training session for the judges and clerks who will be helping with the
early voting and the general election, so I dvd’ed the debate…NOT. I goofed so I and
a couple of others who were also at the training, then watched the comments. We saw the Luntz portion on Hannity which was very encouraging. Then we did watch the re-run of the
debate. Loved the passion Romney displayed and very proud of his command of the
facts.
All this afternoon, I was nervous about the debate and when I realized it, I said a prayer
for Romney to do well. Yep, I did a lot of praying. (I have been anyway about the election.)
Today it was for the debate. Prayers answered!!!👍
I knew he had it in him and I’m glad it came out tonight.
Loved watching the libs twisting and turning and, in the end, grudgingly admitting that
Romney won. The funniest thing I heard was one of them saying something about
Romney winning was really an Obama win. Really? I forget his logic (??) in saying that,
I was too busy laughing.
 
Vangaurdian said:
Hey,
At least three sources have been provided now.
Not to mention he admitted it during the debate.

Doesn’t faux news have anything to the contrary you could dig up?
🙂
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Three biased sources all making assumptions and where did Romney make that admission? Why should I provide anything to counter your biased accusation…you’ve claimed three sources (one of them biased, one grossly biased) that all are guessing on Romney’s tax plan. Funny you seem more upset about these assumptions on Romney’s plan, more than the real fact that Obama’s policy has done more to harm children than the myths being spread about Romney’s tax plan. :rolleyes:
 
Vangaurdian said:
You shouldn’t. Because you can’t.
It’s obvious.
😃
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I can’t provide evidence to a biased guess…oh yeah you got me there Van. :rolleyes:

Go ahead and spread false accusations and support the anti-Catholic, pro-Abortion Obama…it’s your conscience not mine.

This thread is straying, back to the topic.
 
gilliam said:
CBS News instapoll: 46% said Romney won. 22% said Obama won. 32% said tie. Decisive win for Romney.
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Romney won decisively when 54% didn’t think Romney won in this poll. I’ll be thrilled if 54% do not vote for Romney. 👍
 
CMatt25 said:
Romney won decisively when 54% didn’t think Romney won in this poll. I’ll be thrilled if 54% do not vote for Romney. 👍
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:rotfl:

This is how people twist Romney’s win into an Obama win. Classic liberal logic. 😃
 
I was pleased with tonight’s debate… It showed O… sorry Pres Obama spinning the same tired stump speches and gave Romney a chance to refute his lies… Not that I think Romney isn’t into big gov’t himself, just smaller big gov’t…
I have started praying that Americans will return to a true democratic Republic and start realizing what the Constitution really intended.
Always boils down to repecting LIFE, beginning to end
 
CMatt25 said:
Romney won decisively when 54% didn’t think Romney won in this poll. I’ll be thrilled if 54% do not vote for Romney. 👍
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NIce spin, Cmatt. Romney cleaned Obama’s clock - esp. the line about green energy and sylindra. Romney showed how much he understand the free enterprise system and the economy. Obama is a statist - I think he missed his teleprompter.

Ishii
 
Unfortunate that our Pres… a lawyer right?.. doesn’t understand what our federal gov’t’s powers really are… I hope Romney really does give the power back to the States…
but then again I’m a libertarian so…
 
I think Romney was right on… esp pointing out that p.o.'s buds got $ that would’ve gone a long way if it had gone to teachers
 
katcecelia said:
I was pleased with tonight’s debate… It showed O… sorry Pres Obama spinning the same tired stump speches and gave Romney a chance to refute his lies… Not that I think Romney isn’t into big gov’t himself, just smaller big gov’t…
I have started praying that Americans will return to a true democratic Republic and start realizing what the Constitution really intended.
Always boils down to repecting LIFE, beginning to end
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Amen!👍
 
meltzerboy said:
Which MSNBC were you watching? On the one I was watching, including Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Al Sharpton, Steve Schmidt, etc., all said Romney won the debate, which he did.
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                                                                                                                               Obama had a bad night and Romney a good one: that is undeniable. I thought Romney was particularly strong at the beginning although he more than held his own throughout. His closing statement was rather lame but Obama's wasn't great either. The portion on Medicare and the voucher program seemed to me Romney's weakest moment and Obama's strongest, relatively speaking. The comparison was drawn between this debate and the first one between Kerry and George W. Bush, in which Kerry won and Bush looked tired.
I have a couple of questions for everyone. When Romney stated his health plan provides for preexisting conditions, is that true? I thought it provided only for those people who currently have preexisting conditions. Also, is it correct, as Romney affirmed more than once, that he never stated he wanted to reduce the deficit by 5 trillion dollars?

I think what we have seen here is either the real Romney or, more likely, yet another reincarnation of his multifaceted persona. Regardless, his debate performance was very good. And, I might add, Jim Lehrer appeared surprisingly incompetent tonight in controlling the procedure of the debate.
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Meltzer, I watched CNN and MSNBC but you and I watched the same MSNBC. No idea which MSNBC the other poster watched. I have nothing much to add to what you said here. You pretty much got it right. Other than I wonder since Obama knew he has been leading in the polls, especially in crucial places like Ohio and other swing states, and in many Electoral College predictions if maybe he was just playing defense to hold the lead. Great to know the last incumbant went on to win after losing to Kerry. Do you know who won the 2nd debate between Kerry/Bush? On your questions I can’t help. I long ago gave up trying to keep track of Romney’s positions. And it’s on to the next…
 
And I didn’t have to here O say… “Let me be Clear”… Ugh I HATE that…so condecending.
 
austenbosten said:
I can’t provide evidence to a biased guess…oh yeah you got me there Van. :rolleyes:

Go ahead and spread false accusations and support the anti-Catholic, pro-Abortion Obama…it’s your conscience not mine.

This thread is straying, back to the topic.
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He clearly stated he would cut tax credits in this debate, I’m sure that youtube clips will be available shortly.

I also clearly stated that my statements were not pro Obama.
Vangaurdian said:
Romney wants to lower/eliminate the child tax credit. He basically acknowledged it tonight.
That’s right, he wants to penalize you through taxes for having kids.

boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/08/01/mitt-romney-tax-plan-would-offer-big-cuts-millionaires-raise-taxes-middle-class-brookings-analysts-say/3TBTf2GSlecutmVK97R6sK/story.html

thenation.com/blog/170330/there-no-debate-mitt-romney-would-raise-taxes#

Read the gory details here:
taxpolicycenter.org/
Tax Policy Center, table T11-0125

This is not an argument for Obama.
He hates babies too.

Not to mention both have no problems with signing tax payer funded abortion into law - because Romney has already done that. Anyone notice how proud he is of that? How he and Obama pat each other on the back for that?
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Please fight your conditioning and read what I actually post. I say this with all due charity.

Since it is acknowledged the statements regarding tax credits cannot be refuted, again in charity I am happy to move on to other subjects…

…Not to mention both have no problems with signing tax payer funded abortion into law - because Romney has already done that. Anyone notice how proud he is of that? How he and Obama pat each other on the back for that?
 
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