US Presidential Election Debate #1

[tarboy]

Thanks Tarboy… I totally agree.
I was just curious as to the logic of the left using non-specifics as an attack against Romney

Kad, I think it was the same thing with his taxes,
They knew he had paid taxes but were looking for specifics they could sink their hooks into. I think he surprised them by not claiming all his available deductions.

 

[katcecelia]

That would certainly surprise!

 

[_Abyssinia]

Ed Schultz “disappointed” in Obama debate performance

(Romney does not want to privatise social security)

Frank Luntz’s focus group of undecided voters went overwhelmingly for Romney tonight

CNN Post Debate Poll: Romney Wins Every Category of Voters: Taxes, Economy, Debt Crisis, Health Care

Results of CNN-ORC Post-Debate flash poll. Who won the debate: Romney 67%, Obama 25%. +_ 4%

[CNN post-debate poll: 61% said Obama did worse than expected. 82% said Romney did better than expected

more post-debate CNN poll: Who Seemed to Be Stronger Leader? Romney 58% - Obama 37%](https://twitter.com/PeterHambyCNN)

CNN flash poll: 58% of debate viewers said Romney came off as better leader; Romney edges Obama out on likability 46-45

According to a CNN/ORC International survey conducted right after the debate, 67% of debate watchers questioned said that the Republican nominee won the faceoff, with one in four saying that President Barack Obama was victorious.

“No presidential candidate has topped 60% in that question since it was first asked in 1984,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

Full results CNN

poll. Democrat plus 4 sample. 75% of independents said Romney won

Andrew Sullivian: Obama may have ‘lost the election tonight’

 

[katcecelia]

wow
If one goes to the actual people polled… apparently they were all white and over 50 in the south… hmm… no offense to southern white people over 50, but not exactly represenative of the US voting population… however if it includes FL then it looks like Romney may very well win.
Although compared to previous years’ polls then if the trend continues, and the samples were similar then again, Romney is likely to win
Thanks for the link

 

[Caldera]

First Presidential Debate: Barack Obama Vs Mitt Romney – October 3, 2012
c-spanvideo.org/program/SplitSc

 

[Megan7]

Real good night for Romney. Old uncle Biden doesn’t stand a chance against Paul Ryan in their upcoming debate on Oct 11th either.

Here’s the Romney/Obama debate in full on youtube > youtu.be/vEBwp2IAdMA

Thank you!

I am GLAD that Mr. Romney won! I pray he makes it to the White House

 

[markomalley]

From Tim Stanley (Daily Telegraph):
Last night was a good example of what happens when you take President Obama off an autocue. He falls to pieces. Obama’s performance during the first presidential debate was a mess. The subject was domestic policy – passing through economics, the debt, healthcare and the role of government. Through it all, the President looked distracted and tired, his eyes often drifting to the notes on the podium as if he might be sneakily answering texts. He directed his answers at the moderator, rather than his opponent, and only looked the camera in the eye a handful of times. Perhaps the goal was to appear statesmanlike, but the result was somewhere between bored and superior.

His debating technique was no better. The President started and finished on the defensive, refusing to hit out at Romney and preferring to deliver stuttering apologias for his four years in office. He missed at least two chances to wound Romney. On the first, he conceded that there was little difference between the two men when it came to Social Security (it’s typical for Democrats to claim that Republicans want to privatise it and use old people for firewood). On the second, he answered a question about Obamacare by outlining all its provisions – waiting until the very last line to point out that Romney implemented a similar reform in Massachusetts. Romney’s biggest weakness is his reputation for flip-flopping, yet Obama gave him the opportunity to rebut the u-turn charge and focus all the energy of the debate back onto the White House’s controversial programs.

Constantly, Obama tried to articulate a centrist message. But that message committed the greatest crime you can commit on live TV: it was boring. There was no passion, no class rhetoric and no personal stories. He seems to have had the hope and change drained from him. Obama closed by promising to fight “just as hard” in the second term as he had in the first. That translates as, “More of the same.” To anyone unemployed, under-employed or struggling to get by, that’s a miserable prospect.
Thought it would be good to document some of the reaction to last night’s bloodbath.

 

[Megan7]

Ed Schultz “disappointed” in Obama debate performance

(Romney does not want to privatise social security)

Frank Luntz’s focus group of undecided voters went overwhelmingly for Romney tonight

Thank you!
God bless you A!

Full results CNN

poll. Democrat plus 4 sample. 75% of independents said Romney won

Andrew Sullivian: Obama may have ‘lost the election tonight’

 

[markomalley]

From Dana Milbank (Washington Post):
Fifteen minutes into Wednesday night’s debate here, Mitt Romney politely called the president of the United States a liar.

After President Obama accused his GOP rival of seeking to cut taxes on the wealthy — a stock line for the incumbent, and basically accurate — Romney deftly returned fire. “Look, I got five boys,” he said. “I’m used to people saying something that’s not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I’ll believe it. But that is not the case, all right?”

His chances slipping away in Ohio and other key points on the electoral map, Romney needed something — anything — to change the trajectory of a race that has turned against him. It was his last, best chance to alter the narrative of the contest and, with tens of millions of Americans watching, Romney gave one of the strongest performances of his campaign.

He said Obama picks “losers” with his energy policy, and he accused the president of being naive to the ways of corporate America: “Look, I’ve been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you’re talking about.” He went on to accuse Obama of decimating Medicare, of not meeting his promises to cut the deficit and of neglecting the unemployed.
Even the left of the left know the result. Now the question is, how to spin it.

Milbank, in this case, decided to call Romney too mean.

 

[Megan7]

From Tim Stanley (Daily Telegraph):
Last night was a good example of what happens when you take President Obama off an autocue. He falls to pieces. Obama’s performance during the first presidential debate was a mess. The subject was domestic policy – passing through economics, the debt, healthcare and the role of government. Through it all, the President looked distracted and tired, his eyes often drifting to the notes on the podium as if he might be sneakily answering texts. He directed his answers at the moderator, rather than his opponent, and only looked the camera in the eye a handful of times. Perhaps the goal was to appear statesmanlike, but the result was somewhere between bored and superior.

His debating technique was no better. The President started and finished on the defensive, refusing to hit out at Romney and preferring to deliver stuttering apologias for his four years in office. He missed at least two chances to wound Romney. On the first, he conceded that there was little difference between the two men when it came to Social Security (it’s typical for Democrats to claim that Republicans want to privatise it and use old people for firewood). On the second, he answered a question about Obamacare by outlining all its provisions – waiting until the very last line to point out that Romney implemented a similar reform in Massachusetts. Romney’s biggest weakness is his reputation for flip-flopping, yet Obama gave him the opportunity to rebut the u-turn charge and focus all the energy of the debate back onto the White House’s controversial programs.

Constantly, Obama tried to articulate a centrist message. But that message committed the greatest crime you can commit on live TV: it was boring. There was no passion, no class rhetoric and no personal stories. He seems to have had the hope and change drained from him. Obama closed by promising to fight “just as hard” in the second term as he had in the first. That translates as, “More of the same.” To anyone unemployed, under-employed or struggling to get by, that’s a miserable prospect.
Thought it would be good to document some of the reaction to last night’s bloodbath.

Thank you! Great read!

Praying for Mr. Romney!

 

[Lapey]

Which MSNBC were you watching? On the one I was watching, including Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Al Sharpton, Steve Schmidt, etc., all said Romney won the debate, which he did.

                                                                                                                               Obama had a bad night and Romney a good one: that is undeniable. I thought Romney was particularly strong at the beginning although he more than held his own throughout. His closing statement was rather lame but Obama's wasn't great either. The portion on Medicare and the voucher program seemed to me Romney's weakest moment and Obama's strongest, relatively speaking. The comparison was drawn between this debate and the first one between Kerry and George W. Bush, in which Kerry won and Bush looked tired.

I have a couple of questions for everyone. When Romney stated his health plan provides for preexisting conditions, is that true? I thought it provided only for those people who currently have preexisting conditions. Also, is it correct, as Romney affirmed more than once, that he never stated he wanted to reduce the deficit by 5 trillion dollars?

I think what we have seen here is either the real Romney or, more likely, yet another reincarnation of his multifaceted persona. Regardless, his debate performance was very good. And, I might add, Jim Lehrer appeared surprisingly incompetent tonight in controlling the procedure of the debate.

I have one question for you, when President Obama says anything, is it true? His track record tells me I can’t believe anything he says. The only one entity who has been dishonest about what Romney stands for is the drive by media. If youwant to continue lappingthat up be my guest, I’d rather look at records. Obama has one now, he didn’t when he took office. The one he has he ran from last night, it’s not good.

 

[epan]

Out of curiosity I checked the FOX website poll on who won the debate. The results were 61% Obama, 39% Romney. Can’t find it now. This is the second time, at least, that they have closed a poll with disagrees with their “fair and balanced” ideology.

Interesting the 2/3’s of FOX viewers thought Obama won.

 

[Lapey]

Google is your friend. Updated my post with more sources.
Keep watching faux news, they never lie.


Please provide a link to support that he doesn’t plan on eliminating the child tax credit.
I’m open minded.

Its amazing how the complaint is, “there are no details on what he wants to do. What’s his plan???” this is the mantra coming from the president and the liberal side of the media, but they and you sure have all these little details of what Romney, the real romney, want to do TO us. Which is it, too much info, or no info, can’t be both.

And I agree, using liberal hack blogs to shore your opinion is not productive.

 

[Cat]

Gov. Romney–SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE! Boo-yah! Good boy!

Pres. Obama–Ooh, there goes the Gold!

Of course, Cat has to express the debate results in ice sports language!

 

[GaryTaylor]

IMO Obama is gonna have to show up with the A-Game on the next debate or the election will be lost for him, and well rehearsed on what he is talking about. Out of character for the President to say the least. Repeating himself constantly, seemed lost, confused, his posture was also very telling.

On the other hand I thought Romney did very well, his last remarks reverberated the goal of the free-world. Ironic it appeared to be role reversal to me.

Course spin and damage control went immediately into effect for Obama, yet predicable. And only the die-hard Obama fans witnessed a bright moment last night.

Sorry only one individual sounded and acted like a President and it was Romney. The debate was moderated horrible, either individual paid little to attention to the lacking structure.

 

[_Abyssinia]

IMO Obama is gonna have to show up with the A-Game on the next debate or the election will be lost for him, and well rehearsed on what he is talking about. Out of character for the President to say the least. Repeating himself constantly, seemed lost, confused, his posture was also very telling.

On the other hand I thought Romney did very well, his last remarks reverberated the goal of the free-world. Ironic it appeared to be role reversal to me.

Course spin and damage control went immediately into effect for Obama, yet predicable. And only the die-hard Obama fans witnessed a bright moment last night.

Sorry only one individual sounded and acted like a President and it was Romney. The debate was moderated horrible, either individual paid little to attention to the lacking structure.

Think Romney is planning a major foreign policy speech this week

Want Romney to point out the fact that Obama had not been going to more than half of his daily intel meetings before the terrorist attack in Benghazi. Al Quada was supposed to have dissipated with the death of Bin Laden, even 60 minutes did a program on how they havw resurged; the cover up by the administration after the deaths of 4 US citizens died in the Middle East; Obama’s relationship with Israel; Obama not calling Egypt an ally then his admin correcting that and the state department saying it is

Obama’s foreign policy success have come when he followed Bush’s policies. In some cases some have given credit to Obama for building on the policies he inherited. Obama campaigned critiquing Bush’s foreign policy. He said it would undo it all. Obama said he would withdraw the Iraq troops in 16 months, that took much longer. Then candidate Obama said he would have unconditional talks with Ahmadinejad and close Guantanamo, those ideas where jettisoned after months of failed effort. It has gone poorly with the Israel - Palestine peace process, elevating climate threat to be on comparison with terrorism as a national security threat have made no progress. Want Romney to point this out

SOF capabilities that produced a successful hunt for Bin Laden were honed on George Bush’s watch, General McChrystal in Iraq especially. Procedures of drone strikes, techniques and tactics were honed on George Bush’s watch. Financial levers that are pressing Iran today were perfected by George Bush’s team

 

[_Abyssinia]

Out of curiosity I checked the FOX website poll on who won the debate. The results were 61% Obama, 39% Romney. Can’t find it now. This is the second time, at least, that they have closed a poll with disagrees with their “fair and balanced” ideology.

Interesting the 2/3’s of FOX viewers thought Obama won.

Post a link please

 

[pepipop]

When it’s all said and done, the current president is always on the back foot at these debates as the opponent can point out things that have not changed since his current presidency and/or gotten worse. However, although the opponent offers new solutions - no-one knows if they will ever work, until another 4 years pass and then it’s back to square one again, i.e. the opponent criticising the existing president’s policies and offering ‘new’ solutions. Obama did look exhausted though.

 

[ManOnFire]

Its amazing how the complaint is, “there are no details on what he wants to do. What’s his plan???” this is the mantra coming from the president and the liberal side of the media, but they and you sure have all these little details of what Romney, the real romney, want to do TO us. Which is it, too much info, or no info, can’t be both.

And I agree, using liberal hack blogs to shore your opinion is not productive.

Obama’s lack of “transparency” in his first 4 years gives him no grounds to criticize Romney for being vague. Nancy Pelosi “You’ll need to pass the bill in order to find out what’s in it.” Really ??? Closed door meetings. Still waiting for the healthcare debate to be broadcast on C-Span. “3 days notice to the American people before a vote.” Still waiting for all that. Romney has so so much material to work with here. He could have used much more ammo if he chose to use it. Seems almost like a missed opportunity, but maybe better to build up to those points in #2,3. That’s is what I found to be so funny about Obama’s claim of Romney’s vagueness.

At least ABC and NBC had commentators that likened the debate to Kerry/Bush. CBS was shamelessly in the bag for Obama even though most everyone else thought Romney did well. Axelrod was particularly shameless.

 

[scipio337]

Let’s not start picking out Romney’s White House china pattern just yet.

I would remind people that an incumbent Ronald Reagan was trounced by Walter Mondale in the first debate.

Keep the enthusiasm, the faith, and keep praying.

Pay no heed to the haters.