US Presidential Election Debate #1

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LisaA said:
The funny thing is that by CONTINUING to bring this up, time after time Obama and his supporters are helping Romney and hurting themselves. Instead of excuse making Obama could have said that he hadn’t prepared properly and was sorry he let everyone down. He would then promise to “hit the books” and do better next time. So instead of taking responsibility and moving on, he sounds like a whiney little kid who believes if he keeps beating a dead horse it will come back to life.
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Well said, Lisa.
 
LisaA said:
Of course the Left is pooh-poohing this as “old news.” But it is totally relevant to the topic of the debate. Obama lies without any problem whatsoever. Yet his only defense against the drubbing by Romney is “Romney lied.” Except he didn’t.

Plouffe/Axelrod are now saying that the formerly “wooden, plastic, and boring Romney” has turned in a performance worthy of Lawrence Olivier! Yet crickets chirp when we see time after time, Obama using different accents, different gestures and different approach depending on his audience.

When will they figure out you can’t have it both ways?

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Joe Wilson calls the President a liar, gets censured… foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/10/house-democrats-wilson-apologize-face-censure/

I guess the rules have changed since 2009??

Where is the outrage from Democrats, aside from Kirsten Powers?
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Oh, he didn’t recognize his politeness was damaging his performance at some point during the 1.5 hour debate? Baloney. He was overwhelmed by a superior debater and thinker and left completely shattered by debate’s end…
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Romney is a superior debater perhaps, but surely not a superior thinker compared to Obama, although you might intensely dislike the latter’s thoughts. I would say Romney is better than GWB in the cognitive department and about equal to Joe Biden, but certainly less reflective and “professorial” (a negative description used by the liberal and the conservative media alike) than Obama.

I think Obama’s passivity was a misguided strategy on the part of his campaign in order not to rock the boat and appear non-presidential or vindictive toward Romney. No matter, the lesson has been learned and the pendulum will no doubt swing in the next Presidential debate with respect to Obama’s passion and aggression, perhaps too much.
 
meltzerboy said:
Romney is a superior debater perhaps, but surely not a superior thinker compared to Obama, although you might intensely dislike the latter’s thoughts. I would say Romney is better than GWB in the cognitive department and about equal to Joe Biden, but certainly less reflective and “professorial” (a negative description used by the liberal and the conservative media alike) than Obama.

I think Obama’s passivity was a misguided strategy on the part of his campaign in order not to rock the boat and appear non-presidential or vindictive toward Romney. No matter, the lesson has been learned and the pendulum will no doubt swing in the next Presidential debate with respect to Obama’s passion and aggression, perhaps too much.
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Obama had an opportunity and he is likely not going to get such an opportunity in either of the next 2 debates. Jonathan Chait says
The next debate is a town-hall meeting. Obama’s campaign is talking up its plan to roll out a new, tougher Obama who will challenge Romney’s slick evasions. But a town-hall meeting is a whole different animal. In a one-on-one debate, you can fillet your opponent. A town-hall meeting consists of undecided voters pressing the candidates for answers. The focus of the event is on answering the questions of the voters. Using their questions to assail your opponent is bad form — indeed, the Regular Voters who ask the questions, and serve as proxies for the public, can be counted on to implore the candidates to stop attacking each other so much. Romney will use the town hall to proclaim his deep and abiding concern for all of America, and Obama will have little chance to disprove it
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The following debate is on foreign policy and with the Libya and Egypt disaster; Obama admin blaming the anti Islam video; a ressurgence of Al Quada, Obama’s foreign policy problems will be vocalised by Romney. People assume because Obama is a good speaker with a rehersed speech he would be good debater, but when has ever shown he is a great debater?
 
meltzerboy said:
Romney is a superior debater perhaps, but surely not a superior thinker compared to Obama, although you might intensely dislike the latter’s thoughts. I would say Romney is better than GWB in the cognitive department and about equal to Joe Biden, but certainly less reflective and “professorial” (a negative description used by the liberal and the conservative media alike) than Obama.

I think Obama’s passivity was a misguided strategy on the part of his campaign in order not to rock the boat and appear non-presidential or vindictive toward Romney. No matter, the lesson has been learned and the pendulum will no doubt swing in the next Presidential debate with respect to Obama’s passion and aggression, perhaps too much.
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I think Obama’s vaunted intelligence is overblown. Without his teleprompter, he strikes me as an average thinker, at best. His peers at the University of Chicago Law School were largely unimpressed by him. The same goes for students who rated him so-so after his first few years behind the podium. The people behind Obama made him what he is. Obama is an Empty Suit. Hillary beat him on the debate stage; Romney has done so once and will do so again.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Hillary beat him on the debate stage; Romney has done so once and will do so again.
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Alas Hillary. She who should have been President, not Obama. Romney wouldn’t have had a prayer against her IMO. Worse yet, I blew $1,000 contributing to her campaign. :ouch: :crying:
 
meltzerboy said:
Rich, I too supported Hillary but not financially. Take heart though, her day may yet come!
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Her age is an obstacle. After four grueling years abroad as Secretary of State, I don’t think she has the oomph to make another run in 2016. How old would she be?
 
meltzerboy said:
Rich, I too supported Hillary but not financially. Take heart though, her day may yet come!
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She was a better candidate and would probably have made a better President than the guy who never so much as ran a lemonade stand before entering the White House. Of course, her standard for comparison (Obama’s first term) is pathetically poor.
 
meltzerboy said:
Romney is a superior debater perhaps, but surely not a superior thinker compared to Obama, although you might intensely dislike the latter’s thoughts. I would say Romney is better than GWB in the cognitive department and about equal to Joe Biden, but certainly less reflective and “professorial” (a negative description used by the liberal and the conservative media alike) than Obama.

I think Obama’s passivity was a misguided strategy on the part of his campaign in order not to rock the boat and appear non-presidential or vindictive toward Romney. No matter, the lesson has been learned and the pendulum will no doubt swing in the next Presidential debate with respect to Obama’s passion and aggression, perhaps too much.
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I don’t think there is much Obama can do salvage the situation in next two debates.The problem is his campaign spent millions and millions of dollars portraying Romeny as foaming at the mouth right-wing extremist. Obviously once people viewed the debate they could tell firsthand that all these ads were false i. i don’t think their new strategy of “Romney is a flip-flopping liar” are going to fare much better.

I have always thought Romney was going to win this election going away(Especially after he picked Ryan as his running mate) and actually don’t think any of these debates matter much. Obama is going to lose not because Romney is a fantastic debater ora nice guy but because Obama has been a total failure as president of the united States
 
LisaA said:
In what way? I feel like I know him better than most since he was so often on the Bill Bennett show. He’s very wonky, very numbers oriented. I don’t see an idealogue but maybe I am missing something.

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You don’t think Ryan’s co-sponsorship of the personhood amendment reflects an ideological position and is a bit extreme?
 
meltzerboy said:
Romney is a superior debater perhaps, but surely not a superior thinker compared to Obama, although you might intensely dislike the latter’s thoughts. I would say Romney is better than GWB in the cognitive department and about equal to Joe Biden, but certainly less reflective and “professorial” (a negative description used by the liberal and the conservative media alike) than Obama.

I think Obama’s passivity was a misguided strategy on the part of his campaign in order not to rock the boat and appear non-presidential or vindictive toward Romney. No matter, the lesson has been learned and the pendulum will no doubt swing in the next Presidential debate with respect to Obama’s passion and aggression, perhaps too much.
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Smart is as smart does, meltzerboy. You can point to the person who can’t pass the test and attribute superior ability to him, but if he can’t ever demonstrate it, then you have to assume it’s not there. Unless it’s some kind of doctrine or belief system to you, I mean.

Obama never was any sort of prodigy except in the imaginations of people who wanted him to be, for whatever other sort of emotional or ideological reason or the like. He’s a media creation and he always was.

I watched the debate, and nothing he did was any surprise to me. Obama always looks like that to me, objectively speaking. No surprises.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Is video from the town hall debate from 2008, McCain v Obama

youtube.com/watch?v=H8AuZFV8jS0

youtube.com/watch?v=ofQ5Ci-fg_w

youtube.com/watch?v=id6E-K-nVOk

youtube.com/watch?v=LHld1ehrYuo

Neither are particularly aggresive towards each others polices or views because the format makes it almost impossible which is why I do not understand those saying Obama will come out aggressive in next debate. Is their such an opportunity in this setup?
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I agree with this analysis.

A tie helps Obama not at all, IMO.

By the third debate, barring a major meltdown by his opponent, it will be too late.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
She was a better candidate and would probably have made a better President than the guy who never so much as ran a lemonade stand before entering the White House. Of course, her standard for comparison (Obama’s first term) is pathetically poor.
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Actually she was not much more qualified to be president than Obama was. She was an ineffective junior senator and prior to that her major accomplishment was marrying a guy who was a master politician and became president of the united States. She pretty much carries the same ideological baggage that Obama does and i believe would have been just as much a disaster as president as he has been
 
estesbob said:
Actually she was not much more qualified to be president than Obama was. She was an ineffective junior senator and prior to that her major accomplishment was marrying a guy who was a master politician and became president of the united States. She pretty much carries the same ideological baggage that Obama does and i believe would have been just as much a disaster as president as he has been
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You beat me to it:)

She is popular, because (rightly or wrongly) her husband is popular.

I also happen to think that she majorly shot herself in the foot with this 9/11/2012 thing.
 
estesbob said:
Actually she was not much more qualified to be president than Obama was. She was an ineffective junior senator and prior to that her major accomplishment was marrying a guy who was a master politician and became president of the united States. She pretty much carries the same ideological baggage that Obama does and i believe would have been just as much a disaster as president as he has been
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We must be talking about Hilary here. Yes, she was more qualified, except for the fact that she’s married to Bill Clinton and no one really thought he was out of the picture in any way. :D:D:D

NOW, she’s got a bunch of baggage that she’s not going to be able to get rid of simply because she’s presided over a bunch of Obama’s foreign policy FLOPS, like the Bengazi thing. How do you explain something like that???

I don’t think she’s interested in running though, really. She’s running around with a schrunchy in her hair trying to keep her head above water with foreign policy. IT’s going to take years to fix what Obama’s messed up in 4 years.

PS: Speaking of being qualified is funny when it comes to comparisons with Obama. When he was elected, he was not qualified to run an average hamburger restaurant. He’s never run anything in his life and it shows. I’m pretty sure he hasn’t learned all that much in office either. Well, you got a look last Wednesday night. What do you think?
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
You beat me to it:)

She is popular, because (rightly or wrongly) her husband is popular.

I also happen to think that she majorly shot herself in the foot with this 9/11/2012 thing.
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I think this Libya, Egypt diasaster has destroyed any chance of Clinton becoming president
 
LisaA said:
The funny thing is that by CONTINUING to bring this up, time after time Obama and his supporters are helping Romney and hurting themselves. Instead of excuse making Obama could have said that he hadn’t prepared properly and was sorry he let everyone down. He would then promise to “hit the books” and do better next time. So instead of taking responsibility and moving on, he sounds like a whiney little kid who believes if he keeps beating a dead horse it will come back to life.
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Why would he take responsibility?All he’s done the past nearly fourr years is play the blame game.I 'm surprised he hasn’t blamed George W. for his pathetic performance.😉
 
Jeanne_S said:
Why would he take responsibility?All he’s done the past nearly fourr years is play the blame game.I 'm surprised he hasn’t blamed George W. for his pathetic performance.😉
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I think even Obama and his handlers know that blaming George W. for Obama’s debate performance would get a giant belly-laugh from the populace at large.
 
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