US Presidential Election Debate #1

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meltzerboy said:
As one pundit commented, Romney’s five-point plan for America, which he mentioned in the debate, is almost identical to that of George W. Bush, so much so that he might have gotten it from the Bush playbook. Any thoughts regarding what this says about Romney’s sincerity?
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I think, it is more like Mr Reagan’s 🤷
I See Mr. Romney as serious about gaining back our AAA rating? I see this as a MISSED on the part of Mr Obama.
 
meltzerboy said:
I have no idea what Romney plans to do. I believe he is, above all else, a pragmatist, given his business skill, rather than an ideologue. This may be a good thing for America; however, he may also be misleading to conservatives, who think he is acting only on conservative principles. What I am suggesting with regard to Romney’s plan, is that he is not as innovative as he portrays himself, but rather expressing viewpoints in keeping with those of the prior Republican administration, viewpoints which may sound attractive but are not so easy to realize.
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I disagree. George Bush, despite his background in oil and gas did not have energy independence as a top priority. He did not mention tax REFORM, although he did decrease rates…which incidentally not only got the Clinton/9-11 recession out of the picture but resulted in much higher revenues. Bush NEVER spoke about our ever increasing debt and in fact was sadly a big spender with a big government approach. I do not see Mr Romney speaking of nation building or looking for foreign adventures. Yes they share the desire for a strong military but that is a REPUBLICAN policy, not a Bush only policy. Romney has been much stronger on border security whereas Bush tried very hard to ram through an amnesty type “immigration reform” bill. Most of the time we conservatives were tearing our hair over Bush’s “compassionare conservatism” which meant more government programs (Medicare drug, NCLB etc). Bush created yet another department Homeland Security which has cost a small fortune and based on recent articles has not been particularly effective as a specific agency.

And I sure don’t remember Bush going after Big Bird 😃

I don’t see Romney channeling Bush much at all, other than his basic Republican platform which has not changed much in decades.

Maybe you can give some specifics?

Lisa
 
_Abyssinia said:
They know they are in trouble
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Wow!! Speaking of illusion!! Or better still…dirty politics!! These attack ads are unbelieveable and an** insult** to the 40 million or so people who
*watched that *debate!!
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A few Thoughts from non americans who watched it as well.
*.*Rodney’s Winning Stategy…
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/romneys-winning-strategy/1878337594001/page/2#1878746884001
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http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/romneys-winning-strategy/1878337594001/page/2
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http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/obama-fans-beyond-unimpressed/1878811510001#1878948754001
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http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/romneys-winning-strategy/1878337594001/page/2#1877166704001
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Catherine_S said:
Wow!! Speaking of illusion!! Or better still…dirty politics!! These attack ads are unbelieveable and an** insult** to the 40 million or so people who
*watched that *debate!!
.
A few Thoughts from non americans who watched it as well.
*.*Rodney’s Winning Stategy…
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/romneys-winning-strategy/1878337594001/page/2#1878746884001
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http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/romneys-winning-strategy/1878337594001/page/2
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http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/obama-fans-beyond-unimpressed/1878811510001#1878948754001
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http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/news/868018287001/romneys-winning-strategy/1878337594001/page/2#1877166704001
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Well worth watching, especially the first one. These reporters pull NO punches. They call out the liberal media, point out Obama’s abject failure in every aspect of the debate, his lack of knowledge, his ‘uh uh uh’ problem, his running down one rabbit trail after another, seemingly getting lost along the way.

I’ve passed along to some of my likeminded friends. Thank you!

Lisa
 
meltzerboy said:
As one pundit commented, Romney’s five-point plan for America, which he mentioned in the debate, is almost identical to that of George W. Bush, so much so that he might have gotten it from the Bush playbook. Any thoughts regarding what this says about Romney’s sincerity?
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Are you kidding?

Romney talked about things even Reagen wouldn’t bring up.

Bush discuss education reform and PBS subsidies?

Not under Karl Rove’s watch!
 
No matter what Mr Obama promises in this debate or on the stump - He had one unique chance to show he was serious. His actions, at that one particular time-slot, would have helped ease American and Foreign ] insecurities in his economic skills.

That happened in August 2011.

At the downgrade of the U.S. credit rating by Standard & Poor
This should have been a wake-up call to the administration. S&P is saying, accurately, that there is no coherent long-term plan in place to deal with the U.S. government’s fiscal deficits.

The U.S. Treasury - Mr Obama could have taken the downgrade as useful information and then focused on how to perform better to earn back a AAA rating.

Instead, it chose to attack the rating agency as incompetent and not credible.
 
I found Axelrod’s comments this weekend to be suprrisingly (pun intended) frank, perhaps more than he intended to be. His explanation was that Obama was unable to field the “surprise” factor (A’s word) from Romney, and hence responded poorly. Axelrod all but acknowledged that Obama felt defeated by that surprise, and is now in rehearsal mode for the next debate.

Not only is that not a good sign for Obama, Axelrod’s remarks this weekend, if picked up by voters, are also not promising for any Undecided voters. Any President should be able to manage Surprise. That’s part of his job, what he gets paid to do.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
I found Axelrod’s comments this weekend to be suprrisingly (pun intended) frank, perhaps more than he intended to be. His explanation was that Obama was unable to field the “surprise” factor (A’s word) from Romney, and hence responded poorly. Axelrod all but acknowledged that Obama felt defeated by that surprise, and is now in rehearsal mode for the next debate.

Not only is that not a good sign for Obama, Axelrod’s remarks this weekend, if picked up by voters, are also not promising for any Undecided voters. Any President should be able to manage Surprise. That’s part of his job, what he gets paid to do.
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Watching those non-American news reports it’s clear that the rest of the world is much more aware of Obama’s absolute incompetence than are our media. You saw it on Letterman when he inadvertently mentioned the national debt…Obama punted…couldn’t quite remember what it was. So it’s not merely the “Romney surprise” I think it’s a basic lack of interest or concern.

One of the reporters commented that Obama seemed like a little kid that hadn’t done his schoolwork all year and finally got caught. Another said it didn’t seem as if he was even aware of what was going on in his own country. Perhaps like many Americans, the Europeans and Canadians were initially impressed by his ability to read a teleprompter and “cool” demeanor. But unlike our media they have clearly realized that the problem is the President likes the jet and rubbing elbows with JZ and Beyonce, but he doesn’t much care about doing the work of the President. His appearance on The View rather than meeting with world leaders was met with much derision. The reporters were also commenting on what a disaster his foreign policy had been and that “Americans don’t like seeing Al Quaeda flags posted above their embassies or their Ambassadors dragged through the streets.” Amazing how other countries will actually call out the President for his seeming disinterest in governing while our own media runs interference for him.

While I think he’ll be better prepared for the next debate, it’s going to be tough to overcome this bad performance. Fewer will watch the second debate although as a townhall format it might work more to his strengths than a more wonky podium debate. But he doesn’t have much of a record to defend so no matter how well he says it, hard to explain that his ideas just don’t work and neither do millions of Americans

Lisa
 
WOW…
WOW…
They almost come across as unbiased…
until they address race …
Oh well…I can seen he optimistic demeanor being dampened… uh, this isn’t a utopia, duh
I can see he’s tired, maybe he should quit playing on the popular shows and put that extra time into getting some rest?
And I REALLY liked the mention of the financial cliff in Dec… :gopray::gopray2:God please help us…let whomever gets into office do the right thing
 
katcecelia said:
WOW…
WOW…
They almost come across as unbiased…
until they address race …
Oh well…I can seen he optimistic demeanor being dampened… uh, this isn’t a utopia, duh
I can see he’s tired, maybe he should quit playing on the popular shows and put that extra time into getting some rest?
And I REALLY liked the mention of the financial cliff in Dec… :gopray::gopray2:God please help us…let whomever gets into office do the right thing
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I thought there was a lot of excuse making versus just admitting their man was gobsmacked by Romney’s confident command of the debate. The most laughable IMO was the claim that as a tenderhearted, sensitive, international man of the people, the carnage of the two wars simply overwhelmed him…PUH-LEASE. This is a man who won’t defend a baby that survived abortion, who apparently personally got involved in which terrorist was to be targeted by our drones and who, after the murder of our Ambassador jetted off to a fundraiser where he was grinning like a Cheshire cat and telling jokes.

Sensitive? Really? The race card was another hoot. The time for racism was BEFORE he was elected when judging him by his skin color in the absence of actual knowledge of the man might have occurred. Now we know what we’ve got and as one writer put it, now 47 million Americans hate the guy. And it’s not because of his race.

This weekend on the Sunday shows it was “liar liar pants on fire” as the reason Romney won. I hope Romney just ignores them. As Dana Perino said this morning, when you respond to a bully, he knows he’s under your skin.

Lisa
 
Why Biden Cannot Be Defeated In The Debate

Buzz Bissinger: Why I’m Voting for Mitt Romney
After the president’s debate performance in Denver, this lifelong Democrat has made a difficult decision: he’s given up on Barack Obama. Even if his own wife doesn’t approve.
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Gallup: Mitt Romney debate win biggest ever
Almost three-quarters of Americans who watched the debate believe Mitt Romney won, a record high in Gallup’s polling, driving the GOP nominee into a tie with President Barack Obama.
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Only 20 percent of Americans who watched think Obama won, compared to 72 percent for Romney. Among independents, 71 percent believe Romney won. A near-majority of Democrats who saw the faceoff — 49 percent — also said that the Republican nominee bested Obama.
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Romney’s 52-point win is the largest Gallup has measured, the polling firm said. The prior largest margin was 42 points for Bill Clinton over George H.W. Bush in their 1992 town hall debate.
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In the three days prior to the debate, Obama held a 5-point edge, 50 percent to 45 percent, in Gallup’s daily tracking polls
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. In the three days after, Romney and Obama pulled into a tie, each drawing 47 percent.

The survey was conducted October 4 through October 6, and polled 1,387 registered voters. The margin of error is plus or minus three percent.
 
**Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney’s Tax Plan
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*Last night, the Obama campaign blasted out another email claiming that Mitt Romney’s tax plan would either require raising taxes on the middle class or blowing a hole in the deficit. “Even the studies that Romney has cited to claim his plan adds up still show he would need to raise middle-class taxes,” said the Obama campaign press release. “In fact, Harvard economist Martin Feldstein and Princeton economist Harvey Rosen both concede that paying for Romney’s tax cuts would require large tax increases on families making between $100,000 and $200,000.”

But that’s not true. Princeton professor Harvey Rosen tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD in an email that the Obama campaign is misrepresenting his paper on Romney’s tax plan:

I can’t tell exactly how the Obama campaign reached that characterization of my work. It might be that they assume that Governor Romney wants to keep the taxes from the Affordable Care Act in place, despite the fact that the Governor has called for its complete repeal. The main conclusion of my study is that under plausible assumptions, a proposal along the lines suggested by Governor Romney can both be revenue neutral and keep the net tax burden on taxpayers with incomes above $200,000 about the same. That is, an increase in the tax burden on lower and middle income individuals is not required in order to make the overall plan revenue neutral. *

weeklystandard.com/blogs/princeton-economist-obama-campaign-misrepresenting-my-study-romneys-tax-plan_653917.html
 
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