US Targeting 52 Iranian Sites

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Victoria33 said:
Iran has mowed down over 1000 protesters in the past 2 months, it is said their proxy/puppet forces killed another 300-500 in Baghdad in recent memory. I think a lot of people aren’t really aware of what is going on.
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There’s nothing like a common enemy to unify opponents. The massive protests against the US and in support of revenge for the late general’s demise would suggest that the US managed to achieve what eluded the Iranian government: a united country.

It might have been wiser to continue a policy of containment while Iran fractured slowly from within.

If anything, US actions in the Middle East in recent times would suggest that they have inadvertently destabilized the region and worsened the strategic situation.

Of course manufactured crises have always had domestic political usefulness. It’s unfortunate that the US tore up the negotiated agreement with Iran, irritating your allies in the process.

Meanwhile, let’s pray that Trump’s stupidity doesn’t inflame a global conflict involving both Russia and China.
 
Iran has mowed down over 1000 protesters in the past 2 months, it is said their proxy/puppet forces killed another 300-500 in Baghdad in recent memory. I think a lot of people aren’t really aware of what is going on.
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And this kind of foreign intervention from the USA will kill off any worthwhile anti-government movement in Iran or Iraq. It won’t benefit it at all.
 
Decent read:


“ The strike on Soleimani was something new — an experiment of sorts to see if it can generate the results that 40 years of other approaches have failed to generate. ”

Thomas Jefferson learned that appeasement didn’t not work with barbarians. He read the Quran and dealt with the terrorists on our shores the way they would hear him.
 
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When he says things like this, which are reminiscent on how he spoke about torture, he reveals himself and his character.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Taking actions other than bombing cultural sites is far from appeasement. The people of Iran are not barbarians.
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Lots of diplomatic actions have been tried with Iran for over 40 years. None have been successful in stopping their terror attacks against people or from them trying to obtain nuclear weapons to use against others. Who said the people as in ALL of the people of Iran collectively are barbarians, however it’s no secret that there are a lot of Iranian barbarians who want to kill innocent people and have for many years.
 
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mrad25 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Taking actions other than bombing cultural sites is far from appeasement. The people of Iran are not barbarians.
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Lots of diplomatic actions have been tried with Iran for over 40 years. None have been successful in stopping their terror attacks against people or from them trying to obtain nuclear weapons to use against others. Who said the people as in ALL of the people of Iran collectively are barbarians, however it’s no secret that there are a lot of Iranian barbarians who want to kill innocent people and have for many years.
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This is always the emotional rhetoric that accompanies the run-up to war - “We have done all we could! Nothing else has worked! The other side just wants to kill us! .”
 
dvdjs said:
What are the criteria of success?
What is the reasons to think that whatever it is that Trump is doing will be successful?

Interesting to see Tuccker Carlson, no less, lash out Trump’s action.
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Success is a lot of things. To start it’s s not letting this Iranian regime to continue killing and terrorizing Americans and others.
Iran will have to think long and hard now after Trumps actions how they want to respond moving forward especially if the regime still wants to be in control.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
This is always the emotional rhetoric that accompanies the run-up to war - “ We have done all we could! Nothing else has worked! The other side just wants to kill us! .”
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Nothing else has worked. It’s a fact. And it’s a fact that Iranians have still been chanting “Death to America” during every appeasement effort made in the last 40+years.
 
mrad25 said:
To start it’s s not letting this Iranian regime to continue killing and terrorizing Americans and others.
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Has Trump been a success in this " to start" regard?
Is there any thing that suggests that his new approach will be successful in this “to start” regard?
 
dvdjs said:
Has Trump been a success in this " to start" regard?
Is there any thing that suggests that his new approach will be successful in this “to start” regard?
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Apparently he has if he has prevented attacks to save lives. Time will tell, success doesn’t happen overnight.
 
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OraLabora said:
There’s nothing like a common enemy to unify opponents. The massive protests against the US and in support of revenge for the late general’s demise would suggest that the US managed to achieve what eluded the Iranian government: a united country.
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No, the massive protests are orchestrated.

They did have some spontaneous protests not so long ago, they shot people to stop them.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/shot-killed-protests-iran-admits-time-191203072043278.html
 
dvdjs said:
Ahh, the statement, for which the supporting evidence is, as has been discussed, razor thin.
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Ahhh a NYT article that says it’s razon thin, when Congress hasn’t even been fully briefed yet on the matter. and those who have have said otherwise. Ahhh yes it’s not success taking out a terrorist who has killed so many and would have continued to do so and tried to attack our embassy after also killing a US contractor.
 
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CorydonMundi said:
No ones going to bomb cultural sites. It’s just trump talking smack against our enemies. No one in our military hierarchy would follow such an order even if it was given.
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On what grounds would any member of the military not follow such an order? The US is not a signatory to the 1954 Hague convention which explicitly forbids the destruction of cultural sites. Since Trump would not be ordering any bombing crew or drone commanders to be violating US law or any international law that the US recognizes, that sounds like refusing to follow a lawful order, and would lead to court martial.
 
Hume said:
Their mistrust isn’t entirely unfounded.

The US did everything short of issuing troops to keep the Shah in power and then CIA agents prowled the country for most of the next 40 years.
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I am glad you pointed this out. There are too many that have no sense of history and why we are where we are today. American intervention sometimes helps, but often the only help is in the creation of something like Iran today, for what part we play in elevating the Ayatollah to power.

I do not see creating a new martyr to religious radicals as something that will turn out good. Nor is the president’s war-posturing likely to intimidate a people bent on suicidal vengeance.
 
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