USCCB Condemns Separating Immigrant Children from Families

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bassmansteiny said:
So if the fed govt was to put the children back with the parents who are being incarcerated for illegally coming over they would be in violation and sued again.
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Only if it were done for more than 20 days. One option is electronic monitoring, which ICE is doing some already. Another would be deportation in that time limit.

This idea of blaming “the law” and blaming Democrats is incredibly ignorant. It is simply contrary to facts. It is contrary to data. It is contrary to common sense. Please remove the MAGA thinking cap and consider that a ruling made to encourage an alternative to incarceration, which does not even apply to those caught at the border in his latest initiative of the President, is becoming an alternative truth, as if it explained any of this. Trumps said he could do nothing by executive order, then signed an executive order.

Doesn’t this bother anyone, or cause you to think what the real “fake news” is? How much more lying is it going to take to recognize the Father of Lies at work?
 
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Sachsen said:
You play word games and then hide behind scripture to make it look as though you have the moral high ground. Also, you’re assuming I haven’t seen that tactic before. Well, you’re wrong on all counts.

Oh, and here’s an infographic too.
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Some other point to add. “Time” apologized for creating that photo shopped lie… How many people though even saw their apology? They called it hyperbole. Their apology was as hollow as Fonda’s apology for his outrageous tweet against Trump’s young son Barron.

12,000 kids show up at the U.S. border, presumably none of them speak English. Imagine, 12,000 non English speaking kids ( that’s the size of a city), and the border agents need to find out a lot of information about these kids. As it turns out, 10,000 of them weren’t with their parents. Legally, who legally speaks for THEM then. Their parents are back in the country of origin. We did NOT separate THEM as the left charges. What about the other 2000? How do border agents effectively interview that many non English speaking people, who show up at the border? Especially given the many illegal underlining motivations for that mass immigration in the first place, which the border agents are more than familiar with…
 
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ConfusedLucy said:
I suppose it could be argued that making the penitentiary more suitable for families is a more compassionate solution than separating them.
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A lot of your penitentiaries are pretty rough places, even for adults. I can understand the reason that President Trump wants to keep minor children separate- it wouldn’t be good publicity for the government if any minors got “shivved” or worse if the parents that were supposed to be watching over them at Folsom or wherever didn’t look out for them close enough.
 
Augustinian said:
A lot of your penitentiaries are pretty rough places
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Immigration detention has little in common with penitentiaries. Despite the nativist rhetoric this last two years, most illegal immigrants are not gang members, violent, or vary in anyway than the people at your local Elk’s club, where shivving seldom happens.
 
Coming from an immigrant who is now a citizen who is also POC and a Catholic, the attitude of Catholics towards immigrants of non-anglo saxon origin sadden me.

Don’t get me wrong, Im against illegal immigration as it insults the effort and $$$ I had to put in to make myself legal here BUT I always wonder if your reactions will be the same if it were white illegal babies and kids. If it were white illegal babies, I’m pretty sure there would be more compassion. OR worst, their legal status may not even be questioned to begin with.
 
Our nation is being invaded. Do you want open borders for America? Good, then! Also open borders for Ukraine, the Vatican, and Mexico!!! What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
 
It is not the materials of the wall that make a distinction. And no, there really is a distinction that is clear.
 
That just breaks my heart. Ideally, as long as the immigrant goes through whatever process (family petitions, investors, work, asylum) they are accorded the same respect and rights. However, it sounds like white immigrants (regardless of their actual contribution or non-contribution) are treated and seen as “better” than non-white immigrants. Which is not usually the case.

Honestly, where I am, I’ve seen more non-white immigrant families contribute more to society as a whole than U.S born people. The immigrants I know are the ones working in hospitals, tech companies, hotels, etc. U.S born peeps? Shooting up people or pan-handling by freeway exits. Or pushing carts mindlessly in main thoroughfares, their faces obviously downtrodden by years of meth abuse. It’s insulting. That’s why it blows my mind why The Orange Cheeto is sooo against migrants and focusing soo much on NON-WHITE illegal aliens and making it seem that non-white immigrants shoot people up. I DONT GET IT.
 
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I was not blaming anyone, Democrats or Republicans and I don’t own a MAGA hat thankyou very much (Fender hat, Detroit Red Wings and Tigers hats). Just repeating what I saw and heard on the news. Maybe stop taking everything as a political talking point, accusation or insult. I did not call anyone names, so please don’t call me one or assume anything about me because it may not be true. I was contributing to the conversation and last time I knew EWTN (a Catholic cavle Network) and Raymond Arroyo (a well respected Catholic Journalist)is pretty fair and balanced. If you read what I typed you would see I did not get the info from Fox News or MSNBC. For future reference instead of just cutting and pasting part of my post in this thread you should cut and paste the whole thing so others reading your reply see the whole thing and not just what you want to make me appear one way.

I don’t like it anymore than you do. I just want our laws to be followed. I want people to come into our country by legal means. I am not for just rounding everyone up and sending them back. I know families that are connected to mine that are not exactly legal and have been in the states for years and I don’t want them to go back. However like I said it is a complicated situation, I want the law followed, I don’t want the children separate from families- the ones that came over with their families, however they can’t be incarcerated with their parents. Believe me, you don’t want them in a jail or prison, I’ve been there.

I have mixed feelings about it all.
 
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bassmansteiny said:
I was not blaming anyone,
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I was only quoting you for the first part, about this federal ruling that has been mentioned quite a bit.

This place fusses at you if you try to do too many separate posts and asks you put them in a single post. It often makes it look like another is referring to you in the latter part of the post I am sorry if it threw you a curve.

For me, I want the law to be followed when it should, and not when it shouldn’t. I will mention again that the way the law is written this type of detention is not mandated. There is room, as there is in most laws, for an officer to act, or not to act, depending on the circumstances, without violating the law.
 
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I think we could probably agree there should be more officers to investigate a case by case especially for asylum seekers. At least they are not left in a state of limbo, separated from each other.

Like I said I can see both sides. I don’t want families separated but I also want people here legally. Most of us come from immigrants so most of us feel that is what makes our country great! The mixing pot of different cultures. 😀

I refer to my family as the U.N. of families, lol. Made up of several cultures and ethnicities. Also Conservatives and Liberals, makes for some fun family functions, haha. We all respect and love each other so it never gets to a fist fight 😁
 
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It is unfortunate that bishops would choose to embrace the hysterical rhetoric of the media (which hates the Church and will not hate it any less for aiding it here). What must all of the reasonable non-Catholics out there (who, being calm and rational, know that children are always separated when their parents are arrested for committing crimes) think?

Perhaps they have some sort of argument for why the criminal laws regarding illegal entry are wrong. If so, they certainly haven’t presented it.
 
blackforest said:
Please quote the exact place where I called for open borders.
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You haven’t used those words, but you also haven’t indicated who you would reject as an immigrant to America either. If you are willing to take anyone who shows up, that’s open borders.

The advantage to open borders is that you don’t need border guards, just someone to greet the people as they cross the threshold , like they have at Wal Mart.
 
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