V for Vendetta (2006)

[masterjedi747]

Troy7:

Really? To think I got such a great matinee for only $6.50 worth of sin!

I disagree also, but I don’t think the humor is altogether appropriate and/or helpful here. :twocents:

 

[Mac6yver]

bones_IV:

You’re committing a grave sin if you watch a movie like that.

Do we live in the same Ohio? Or are you posting from a planet named Ohio?

 

[bones_IV]

Mac6yver:

Do we live in the same Ohio? Or are you posting from a planet named Ohio?

Is this your way of insulting me? Your post sounds pretty condenscending.

 

[wabrams]

bones_IV:

Is this your way of insulting me? Your post sounds pretty condenscending.

It might be a tad condescending, but nowhere near as bad as this:

You’re committing a grave sin if you watch a movie like that.

 

[bones_IV]

wabrams:

It might be a tad condescending, but nowhere near as bad as this:

Tell that to those who wrote the review of the movie on decentfilms. Evidently, you have problems with the faith. It’s a grave sin to watch the movie is because it glorifies sin and desecrates holy things and images.

 

[wabrams]

bones_IV:

Tell that to those who wrote the review of the movie on decentfilms.

Why? Did they give you the authority to decide if the movie is sinful?

bones_IV:

Evidently, you have problems with the faith.

I have zero problems with my faith or the Catholic Church. What I do have a problem with is someone pontificating and questioning my faith. I don’t know who you think you are to make a statement like that.

bones_IV:

It’s a grave sin to watch the movie is because it glorifies sin and desecrates holy things and images.

From everything I’ve read, the movie doesn’t. Maybe we both need to go watch it and then come back and discuss it further.

 

[bones_IV]

wabrams:

Why? Did they give you the authority to decide if the movie is sinful?

I have zero problems with my faith or the Catholic Church. What I do have a problem with is someone pontificating and questioning my faith. I don’t know who you think you are to make a statement like that.

From everything I’ve read, the movie doesn’t. Maybe we both need to go watch it and then come back and discuss it further.

I don’t about you, but somebody in a mask going around blowing up historic landmarks in London against an evil Christian government doesn’t sound all that entertaining to me. It’s plain stupid is what it is. Kind of makes me wonder if V is a terrorist or hero. You can’t call yourself a hero and blow up historic land marks like the Big Ben Tower. I get the distinct impression from the movie that because I believe that homosexuality is wrong that I must be in the same line with the concentration camp officials. Which is a loose connection between Nazism and Christianity. Give me a break. The movie does a gross romantization of an extremist Catholic fighting against an anti-catholic regime with an anti-catholic twist.

 

[bones_IV]

wabrams:

Why? Did they give you the authority to decide if the movie is sinful?

I have zero problems with my faith or the Catholic Church. What I do have a problem with is someone pontificating and questioning my faith. I don’t know who you think you are to make a statement like that.

From everything I’ve read, the movie doesn’t. Maybe we both need to go watch it and then come back and discuss it further.

Telling somebody that watching a morally offensive movie like V is for Vendetta is a grave sin is not expressing a “naked hatred” , “holier than thou” than attitude if that’s what you’re accusing me of. So a guy blowing up historic landmarks and depicting negative portrayal of clergyman is not blasphemy? Showing a negative protrayal of clergyman is desecration. So you enjoy watching our clergyman being desecrated?

 

[wabrams]

bones_IV:

I don’t about you,

So why are you questioning my faith then?

bones_IV:

but somebody in a mask going around blowing up historic landmarks in London against an evil Christian government doesn’t sound all that entertaining to me. It’s plain stupid is what it is. Kind of makes me wonder if V is a terrorist or hero. You can’t call yourself a hero and blow up historic land marks like the Big Ben Tower.

Do you even know the significance of Big Ben and Parliament being blown up in the movie?

bones_IV:

I get the distinct impression from the movie that because I believe that homosexuality is wrong that I must be in the same line with the concentration camp officials. Which is a loose connection between Nazism and Christianity. Give me a break. The movie does a gross romantization of an extremist Catholic fighting against an anti-catholic regime with an anti-catholic twist.

You get a distinct impression from a movie you’ve never seen? From the sound of it, this isn’t a black/white issue like watching Saw or Hostel. It’s been said to you a few times already in this thread: Nazism and Fascism are just extreme left and extreme right views meshed into one entity.

 

[Libero]

Oh, I was really hoping to go and see this film, in fact I think I still shall. It looks like it has good effects, in fact no film crew in history has been allowed to film that far into British government buildings before.

As for comitting a grave sin, I really really doubt that God will care if we watch the film, it would be so stupid if he sits at the gate of heaven and reads from a list all of the people who watched V for Vendetta and thus throws them into hell because of it

P.S. Masterjedi, I too saw the ads for Hostel, and it truly does look disgusting.

 

[Contarini]

masterjedi747:

To be honest, I assumed that he was Anglican the first time I saw the film…but there was nothing concrete that I noticed to tie it down one way or another. It was only in the reviews and commentaries that I read afterward that everyone seemed to assume that he was a Catholic Bishop…and perhaps they did have access to some behind-the-scenes information that I did not. His title was simply the “Bishop of England”…take that as you wish. But it doesn’t really matter…Catholic or Anglican, he was still a bad bishop/corrupted individual.

It sounds like the moviemakers probably didn’t care what church he belonged to–or possibly they were trying to fend off possible criticism by avoiding anything very specific or accurate.

But I wouldn’t assume that people who assume he’s Catholic have access to inside information. Catholicism does have a higher profile than Anglicanism in the U.S.! So it’s a natural assumption.

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

bones_IV:

Showing a negative protrayal of clergyman is desecration. So you enjoy watching our clergyman being desecrated?

First of all, I have yet to see any evidence that the bishop was intended as a Catholic bishop specifically. Do you care if Anglican bishops are “descrated”?

In the second place, I think making fun of corrupt church officials is generally a healthy exercise. People in the Middle Ages did it all the time. After the Reformation the idea became prevalent among Catholics that it was disloyal to the Church to criticize corrupt clergy. I think this was a horrible mistake, and the medieval attitude was much healthier.

Edwin

 

[bones_IV]

Contarini:

First of all, I have yet to see any evidence that the bishop was intended as a Catholic bishop specifically. Do you care if Anglican bishops are “descrated”?

In the second place, I think making fun of corrupt church officials is generally a healthy exercise. People in the Middle Ages did it all the time. After the Reformation the idea became prevalent among Catholics that it was disloyal to the Church to criticize corrupt clergy. I think this was a horrible mistake, and the medieval attitude was much healthier.

Edwin

I do care, any desecration is blasphemy to God regardless of who’s the victim. What you say about and protray to others can spiritually damage their reputation.

 

[bones_IV]

Libero:

Oh, I was really hoping to go and see this film, in fact I think I still shall. It looks like it has good effects, in fact no film crew in history has been allowed to film that far into British government buildings before.

As for comitting a grave sin, I really really doubt that God will care if we watch the film, it would be so stupid if he sits at the gate of heaven and reads from a list all of the people who watched V for Vendetta and thus throws them into hell because of it

P.S. Masterjedi, I too saw the ads for Hostel, and it truly does look disgusting.

God doesn’t care if we watch a film that’s been rated by people of authority as morally offensive? I do care. God cares what we watch. Have you ever heard the statement, we imitate what we watch? That doesn’t seem to matter to you. To say that God doesn’t care what we watch is atheism.

 

[Libero]

bones_IV:

God doesn’t care if we watch a film that’s been rated by people of authority as morally offensive? I do care. God cares what we watch. Have you ever heard the statement, we imitate what we watch? That doesn’t seem to matter to you. To say that God doesn’t care what we watch is atheism.

Saying that God does not care is not atheism, neither Practical, Speculative nor Protest. For atheism is the denial of God, not the comment on his concerns.

I strongly believe that God could not care if we watch a film that a fellow human has deemed ‘morally offensive’ (as if they are some sort of authority to say what films God would stop) when he has his children dying and sucumbing to a society that no longer ‘needs him’…

Further, in watching this film, it is incredibly unlikely that I am going to become a manic avenger who uses violenece and physical force to get his work done - so unbelievably unlikely, the thought makes me laugh…

My comment is many things, but atheist - certainly not.

 

[bones_IV]

Libero:

Saying that God does not care is not atheism, neither Practical, Speculative nor Protest. For atheism is the denial of God, not the comment on his concerns.

I strongly believe that God could not care if we watch a film that a fellow human has deemed ‘morally offensive’ (as if they are some sort of authority to say what films God would stop) when he has his children dying and sucumbing to a society that no longer ‘needs him’…

Further, in watching this film, it is incredibly unlikely that I am going to become a manic avenger who uses violenece and physical force to get his work done - so unbelievably unlikely, the thought make me laugh…

My comment is many things, but atheist - certainly not.

That’s a denial. The opinions written in the decentfilms column reflect the opinions of the Church. People watch this film because of the “pleasures” of the world. To say that God doesn’t care is saying to our Lord that we don’t want Him in our life. That’s the message that people convey when say things like “I don’t think God cares what we watch”.

 

[Libero]

bones_IV:

That’s a denial. The opinions written in the decentfilms column reflect the opinions of the Church. People watch this film because of the “pleasures” of the world. To say that God doesn’t care is saying to our Lord that we don’t want Him in our life. That’s the message that people convey when say things like “I don’t think God cares what we watch”.

Is it? Or is it really saying that God has far more important concerns than a film? That infact the matter of a film is trivial compared to what else is occuring?

People may not watch this film because of “the pleasures of the world” (whatever that is) but rather becausing it is entertaining, but has no meaning, it is merely something that will make us think ‘hmmmm’ whilst in the cinema, or be impressed by the effects, but it will not have a profound effect otherwise.

 

[bones_IV]

I have my own idea of entertainment. And the V guy going around blowing up buildings and historical landmarks like the Big Ben Tower is certainly not one them! Nor do I care to see the desecration of clergy no matter what their religious faith. And especially a movie that’s so baised towards Christians and never talks about what the Muslims did to us. Why? Because they are afraid “offending people”.

 

[Libero]

bones_IV:

I have my own idea of entertainment. And the V guy going around blowing up buildings and historical landmarks like the Big Ben Tower is certainly not one them! Nor do I care to see the desecration of clergy no matter what their religious faith. And especially a movie that’s so baised towards Christians and never talks about what the Muslims did to us. Why? Because they are afraid “offending people”.

Well, it is just a film, I am a hypersensitive person myself, but this doesn’t really concern me. It is all in the past, it is also all fiction, I would get more upset if there was a true attack on Christianity. As for Big Ben blowing up - I want to see that They did something in Dr Who where a spacecraft flew into Big Ben, I think the film will easily beat that though.

 

[wabrams]

bones_IV:

God doesn’t care if we watch a film that’s been rated by people of authority as morally offensive?

I didn’t know a film critic with a wife and four kids was a person of authority.