V for Vendetta (2006)

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Rule of thumb: when the original author asks to have his name taken out of the credits, steer clear.

He said, essentially, that the movie version was his creation being used by people who don’t like that their country is run by neocons, but don’t have the brains to come up with their own story about it or the guts to set it in their own country. And he’s a Brit indy-comic writer, don’t let’s forget. He probably curses Bush in his sleep. To get him mad, they’d have pretty much had to ream the artistic integrity out of the thing.

Rule of the other thumb: the Wachowski brothers are colossally overrated, untalented blowhards.

The Matrix comics (graphic novel is a term for posers, deal with it) are god-awful, warmed-over William Gibson with some faux Gnosticism thrown in…via Mage: the Ascension, that is. And the movies…give me *Serial Experiments Lain *any day of the week. All its sins on its head, that doesn’t display such open contempt for its audience. Even Ghost in the Shell, which is colossally talky and borderline unwatchable, doesn’t have such pretenses. The fighting in the Matrix is so awful I want to cry, the backstory was old when Karl Macek wrote “R.U.R.,” and the philosophy is unfit for chihuahuas. The acting…well, Laurence Fishburne and Hugo Weaving don’t suck in it, to say something nice.

So, yes, I shan’t be giving *V for Vendetta *any of my time, to come to the point, and if I ever meet these brothers Wachowski, I think I may hit them.
 
I haven’t seen the movie, but I have read the comic now, and I want to see the movie even less. The comic was far and away a perfect 10…the movie can’t be as good.
 
You Americans with your odd understanding political spectrum. Right or left? Conservative or liberal? What does that even mean? I am a member of the Conservative Party of Canada; I am against abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, cloning, and stem-cell research amongst other things; I am in favour of a just justice system; I am for completely free markets and trade… yet I consider myself a liberal. Hence the name Whiggamore. How does that jive with your understanding?

I also found V for Vendetta one of the single greatest movies of our time. I had but two complaints; one, the positive potrayal of homosexuality was wrong; two, when listing the victims of this facist government Catholics were not, but should have been, mentioned. I’ll be buying the special edition DVD when it’s released.
 
You Americans with your odd understanding political spectrum. Right or left? Conservative or liberal? What does that even mean? I am a member of the Conservative Party of Canada; I am against abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, cloning, and stem-cell research amongst other things; I am in favour of a just justice system; I am for completely free markets and trade… yet I consider myself a liberal. Hence the name Whiggamore. How does that jive with your understanding?

I also found V for Vendetta one of the single greatest movies of our time. I had but two complaints; one, the positive potrayal of homosexuality was wrong; two, when listing the victims of this facist government Catholics were not, but should have been, mentioned. I’ll be buying the special edition DVD when it’s released.
Here’s Don Feder said:

“While ‘V’ certainly pushes the envelope, it’s very much in keeping with what has become Hollywood’s standard, anti-Christian message - that Christians are hypocritical hate-mongers, with tendencies toward violence, who are waiting to seize the reins of government and persecute unbelievers.”
 
You Americans with your odd understanding political spectrum. Right or left? Conservative or liberal? What does that even mean? I am a member of the Conservative Party of Canada; I am against abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, cloning, and stem-cell research amongst other things; I am in favour of a just justice system; I am for completely free markets and trade… yet I consider myself a liberal. Hence the name Whiggamore. How does that jive with your understanding?

I also found V for Vendetta one of the single greatest movies of our time. I had but two complaints; one, the positive potrayal of homosexuality was wrong; two, when listing the victims of this facist government Catholics were not, but should have been, mentioned. I’ll be buying the special edition DVD when it’s released.
WHAT THE HECK IS A CONSERVATIVE THEN??
 
Here’s Don Feder said:

“While ‘V’ certainly pushes the envelope, it’s very much in keeping with what has become Hollywood’s standard, anti-Christian message - that Christians are hypocritical hate-mongers, with tendencies toward violence, who are waiting to seize the reins of government and persecute unbelievers.”
I honestly believe that Feder is reading into the film that which simply isn’t there… :o

People who watched the film without having pre judged it will be able to appreciate the fact that it is a film that addresses political extremism, of course religious extremism comes into it - but why any normal Christian would feel threatened by the portrayal of this radical Christianity that has long since died really does beat me 🙂

All in all - a good film… not as good as ‘Lord of War’ though - or another good political one I watched recently ‘Shooting Dogs’ 🙂
 
I honestly believe that Feder is reading into the film that which simply isn’t there… :o

People who watched the film without having pre judged it will be able to appreciate the fact that it is a film that addresses political extremism, of course religious extremism comes into it - but why any normal Christian would feel threatened by the portrayal of this radical Christianity that has long since died really does beat me 🙂

All in all - a good film… not as good as ‘Lord of War’ though - or another good political one I watched recently ‘Shooting Dogs’ 🙂
Again, no such regime exists. I challenge you to point out how outlawing Homosexuality is going to lead Christians to setting up concentration camps. Your argument holds no ground.
 
I enjoyed the film simply because the story can go the other way.
It could be us… being arrested just because you’re pro-life or just because you’re Catholic. :yup: Just like the early centuries… ah, how history would repeat itself.

However, there were some parts of the film I did not like. It happens with every film. Watch me make a film someday and Hollywood will definitely reject it. 😛 It’ll too Catholic for them to handle.
 
I enjoyed the film simply because the story can go the other way.
It could be us… being arrested just because you’re pro-life or just because you’re Catholic. :yup: Just like the early centuries… ah, how history would repeat itself.

However, there were some parts of the film I did not like. It happens with every film. Watch me make a film someday and Hollywood will definitely reject it. 😛 It’ll too Catholic for them to handle.
Like to see that. 😉 Then all havoc breaks loose. 😃
 
Again, no such regime exists. I challenge you to point out how outlawing Homosexuality is going to lead Christians to setting up concentration camps. Your argument holds no ground.
I’m sorry I really don’t follow? :o

What regime? I don’t think there is any regime - hence “any such Christianity has long since died out”…

Perhpas something has been lost in translation? 🙂
 
I loved this movie. It blew me away. People have complained about the lesbian sub story, but so what? Sure I disagree with the lifestyle, but I would support ones right to love who they want as long as they are adult and consenting over the alternative of being led away to prison for being gay - wouldnt any sane thinking Christian? V is an incredible film.
 
I haven’t seen the movie, but I have read the comic now, and I want to see the movie even less. The comic was far and away a perfect 10…the movie can’t be as good.
Two different mediums and movies dont always reflect the book. V is all that a bag of chips! 😃
 
I’m just getting ready to get into the Constantine and From Hell graphic novels, gimme time. 😃
 
I’m just getting ready to get into the Constantine and From Hell graphic novels, gimme time. 😃
Hmmm, haven’t done those yet. I’m wrapped up in catching up with Concrete at the moment. If you’re a fan of the religious fiction comics, get Rex Mundi. It’s a bit more charged than Constantine, telling an alternate history tale in which the Catholic Church maintined politcial power in France to the present day. I can’t say for sure what the portrayal of the Church overall is like, as I only have been able to get book 1, and it unfolds slowly with lots of mysteries. However, it’s absolutely gripping; I couldn’t put it down, and the inserted pages of fantasy newspapers detailing the bits of the alternate world unable to fit in the story made it even more compelling.

Fair warning: it can get graphic, even if the violence does serve the story. But I flipped through From Hell, and if you can stomach that you can take this.
 
Here’s Don Feder said:

“While ‘V’ certainly pushes the envelope, it’s very much in keeping with what has become Hollywood’s standard, anti-Christian message - that Christians are hypocritical hate-mongers, with tendencies toward violence, who are waiting to seize the reins of government and persecute unbelievers.”
And it was a lousy movie to boot…
 
I’m sorry I really don’t follow? :o

What regime? I don’t think there is any regime - hence “any such Christianity has long since died out”…

Perhpas something has been lost in translation? 🙂
Is that you LIBERO??? Havent seen you for ages!
 
Wow, I left the forum for 4 months and this thread is still going strong. I still haven’t seen the movie, but purely for artistic differences. You all have fun with this thread now.

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EDIT: oh, I really should read stickies shouldn’t I? A hacker attack you say. . . Wasn’t me, I’m a whitehat.
 
I’m probably going to be the only one here who thought this was a good movie.
 
Nope, I thought it was good, too. There were bits when it was a little too… I dunno, it didn’t grab me emotionally as much as it could have, but I loved Hugo Weaving’s portrayal of V, and many of his lines. The overall message was good- governments who subdue their people by force, lies, and propoganda ought to be brought down. Totalitarianism breeds corruption.

I liked that V was ambiguous- he’s doing something to wake up the populace and bring them to recognition of injustice and a sense of their own power- but he is a vigilante and a monster, as Natalie Portman’s character points out to him. The government treated him monstrously, and thus created a monster, but a monster with a concience.

I liked it.

I’ve heard that Alan Moore is a bit of a control freak, and doesn’t like anyone messing with his artistic vision, so I’m not surprised that he didn’t like the movie.

“People should not be afraid of their governments; governments should be afraid of their people.”

"Behind this mask is an idea, Mr Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof”.
 
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