V for Vendetta (2006)

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Yep…using Moore for spin against the movie doesnt work. He IS an elitist as far as film goes, but one heckuva writer. He also slammed the movie version of his novel “From Hell” which I loved.

V is a good flick and has even reignited my passion for political activism…without violence of course. Funny how a violent movie can have positive effects. 😉
 
I watched this movie on Monday and I thought it was great. The dialogue was saturated with philosophy and I was especially (pleasently) suprised at how well the character “V” was written and acted.

I loved the scene with the dominos. What a way to sum up the story to that point, and I love the symbolism of the last domino standing.
 
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1281:
I just wanted to say thanks for pointing out that fascism does not magically form out of adherence to conservative Christian values. There is a lot of propaganda going on these days that attempts to make that sort of claim, and I think one of the dangers is this lie will continue to spread and lead to Christianity being synonymous with tyranny - that only by marginalizing and working to erode the Christian heritage of our society will ‘the mainstream’ people be safe from the illusionary threat it poses.

I believe there is a movement out there that intends to do exactly that and I think its straight from the devil.

I haven’t watched V for Vendetta yet, so I wont comment on whether or not it actually promotes such garbage. I’d like to see it, but I’ll keep in mind that it may have a certain message that’s not to be trusted.
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Hi 1281,

We don’t seem to have many who agree with us here. I s’pose I’ll see it when I can check it out of the library for free.

I wonder whether there is any real philosophy in this movie, or just a sophomoric attempt to sound deep and philosophical. From what I’ve seen above (Christianity leads to Fascism, etc), I suspect the latter is true.

If Fascism ever comes to the US, it will be brought in by the Democratic Party, and it will persecute Christians and Jews. I think we are well on the way to THIS dystopia, see Canada.
 
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Liberalsaved:
Well, to be fair, Alan Moore is an elitist who wants nothing to do with anything, more or less. A visionary, sure. A stuck-up elitist, definitely.
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hmmmmm… I guess I just don’t care then. I don’t want to see it.
 
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MulusChristi:
If Fascism ever comes to the US, it will be brought in by the Democratic Party, and it will persecute Christians and Jews. I think we are well on the way to THIS dystopia, see Canada.
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Oh, be serious. Fascism is a tool of neither political party. It’s a tool of hate mongerers. I swear, blame everything on Liberals. Anything else you want to dun us for? Global warming, perhaps? Crime rates? Your house plants dying?

Maybe I’m over-reacting, but I’m so sick of everything this board doesn’t like getting blamed on liberals.

Yes, Fascism may have a door to the US in the future. But it will be from people who think their beleifs are best for everyone. And it will be about power, not politics.
 
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Liberalsaved:
Yes, Fascism may have a door to the US in the future. But it will be from people who think their beleifs are best for everyone. And it will be about power, not politics.
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Sounds like the current secular humanist/democratic party style. See the San Francisco City Council, Howard Dean, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, etc.

In Canada, we already see the government censoring bishops for preaching against homosexuality.

And yes, it is all about power and politics is the tool. See Hillary Clinton, etc.
 
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MulusChristi:
Sounds like the current secular humanist/democratic party style. See the San Francisco City Council, Howard Dean, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, etc.

In Canada, we already see the government censoring bishops for preaching against homosexuality.

And yes, it is all about power and politics is the tool. See Hillary Clinton, etc.
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Funny, seems like people who think everything liberal is bad and that everyone should be Christian are equally likely candidates.
 
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Liberalsaved:
Funny, seems like people who think everything liberal is bad and that everyone should be Christian are equally likely candidates.
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Name some really good liberal ideas.
 
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Liberalsaved:
Funny, seems like people who think everything liberal is bad and that everyone should be Christian are equally likely candidates.
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Ever hear the term Liberalism is a sin.
 
Since liberalism is oft associated with radicalism… which is something opposite of being conservative…then I dunno…how about we start with Jesus himself?

While everyone was going about in their smugness and expecting others to take care of their own selves…Jesus was pushing a a NEW DEAL agenda of sorts…helping the poor, being amongst the sinners, eating with them…in a sense telling us we are our brothers keeper…something which a great majority of Republicans are very much against.

And as a second “Good” liberal idea…how about the radical notion of the United States of America itself?

Women voting
Blacks voting
Freeing of slaves

These were all considered LIBERAL ideas…they need not have to come from a democrat or republican to be liberal…they simply were.
 
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Troy7:
Since liberalism is oft associated with radicalism… which is something opposite of being conservative…then I dunno…how about we start with Jesus himself?

While everyone was going about in their smugness and expecting others to take care of their own selves…Jesus was pushing a a NEW DEAL agenda of sorts…helping the poor, being amongst the sinners, eating with them…in a sense telling us we are our brothers keeper…something which a great majority of Republicans are very much against.
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Yeah, but I don’t see too many Liberals doing that. I see Republicans trying to empower people to do better and create more jobs for people, not just give them hand out. You’ve heard the story about teaching a man to fish haven’t you?
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Troy7:
And as a second “Good” liberal idea…how about the radical notion of the United States of America itself?
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Radical to do it on that large of a scale, but the idea of Democracy had been around and practiced off and on for thousands of years.
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Troy7:
Women voting
Blacks voting
Freeing of slaves

These were all considered LIBERAL ideas…they need not have to come from a democrat or republican to be liberal…they simply were.
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If memory serves me correct, we were behind the curve on those things. We were one of the last industrialized nations to free slaves.
 
You asked for good liberal ideas and they were given…so now you wanna pick things apart cuz we as a society fail now and then to live up to our ideals? Sorry, you didnt ask for a dissertation, just good liberal ideas and I supplied them…

please acknowledge and accept in charity you AS WELL AS BONES were wrong to think there arent any and none could be found…that was SMUG.

These were the ideas …they happened, your original request has MORE than been granted.

Heres a few more that will close the deal…

The Civil rights Act of 1964…hmm pretty big LIBERAL idea that changed society for the better…even if we still struggle to live up to the ideals…this was promised by JFK, (Democrat)…introduced by Michael J Winsfield (Democrat) and was finally signed by Pres. Johnson (Democrat) This isnt my endorsement of any of these people or other things they did, but these were awesome agendas which I support

Civil rights Act of 1968-meant as an addendum of sorts to the CRA of 1964…this one was for Fair Housing…this was a liberal idea as well.

Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978…(Carter…Democrat)an amendment to the CRA of 1964…which also had a hand in the…

Family Medical Leave Act of 1993… a campaign promise Clinton (Democrat) fulfilled

We could argue that Dems as well as Reps fought and filibustered these, but the BOTTOM line is these were LIBERAL IDEAS… and are considered by the majority of society to be GOOD for society overall…even if imperfect in their executions at times…ALL of these are what the Church would consider GOOD IDEAS for society…

Thats why when I hear LIBERALISM IS A SIN…I laugh…the meanings of words and what people do behind them are ever evolving…

I could give about a dozen more, but I am to tired to get research right now.
 
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Troy7:
You asked for good liberal ideas and they were given…so now you wanna pick things apart cuz we as a society fail now and then to live up to our ideals? Sorry, you didnt ask for a dissertation, just good liberal ideas and I supplied them…

please acknowledge and accept in charity you AS WELL AS BONES were wrong to think there arent any and none could be found…that was SMUG.

These were the ideas …they happened, your original request has MORE than been granted.
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No, because they weren’t really liberal ideas.
Heres a few more that will close the deal…
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Troy7:
The Civil rights Act of 1964…hmm pretty big LIBERAL idea that changed society for the better…even if we still struggle to live up to the ideals…this was promised by JFK, (Democrat)…introduced by Michael J Winsfield (Democrat) and was finally signed by Pres. Johnson (Democrat) This isnt my endorsement of any of these people or other things they did, but these were awesome agendas which I support
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Nope. Until the mid-1960’s, Democrats were fairly Conservative and the Republicans were fairly Liberal.
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Troy7:
Civil rights Act of 1968-meant as an addendum of sorts to the CRA of 1964…this one was for Fair Housing…this was a liberal idea as well.
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Continuation of a conservative policy. You would of had to have been a Nazi not to sign off on that after the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
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Troy7:
Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978…(Carter…Democrat)an amendment to the CRA of 1964…which also had a hand in the…
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Have no idea who introduced that act.
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Troy7:
Family Medical Leave Act of 1993… a campaign promise Clinton (Democrat) fulfilled
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Some parts were good, but other parts gave leave to care for a domestic partner or same-sex married partner; great liberal ideals at work.
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Troy7:
We could argue that Dems as well as Reps fought and filibustered these, but the BOTTOM line is these were LIBERAL IDEAS…
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Not all.
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Troy7:
and are considered by the majority of society to be GOOD for society overall…even if imperfect in their executions at times…ALL of these are what the Church would consider GOOD IDEAS for society…
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All but parts of one.
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Troy7:
Thats why when I hear LIBERALISM IS A SIN…I laugh…the meanings of words and what people do behind them are ever evolving…

I could give about a dozen more, but I am to tired to get research right now.
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I hope you can come up with more.
 
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bones_IV:
Ever hear the term Liberalism is a sin.
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No. Once again, you can say it till you’re blue in the face without making it true.
 
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wabrams:
Name some really good liberal ideas.
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Free speech

Freedom of religion

Women’s rights

Racial equality

Freedom of artistic expression

America

Just to name a few.
I think you are under the impression that fascism is only fascism if you don’t like the rules.
 
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bones_IV:
Ever hear the term Liberalism is a sin.
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Well no, I haven’t. And no, it’s not.
Because applying terms such as “conservative” and “liberal” is almost always a subjective process, depending on what the culture is like. What’s “conservative” for one culture can be “liberal” for another, and what’s “liberal” for one culture might be “extremely liberal” for another. It really depends upon what you are being labeled as “liberal” and “conservative” in relation to…that is, how you measure up against the current standard of your society. In the modern world, Christians are very often going to be labeled as “conservative” when it comes to religious values. But guess what? In His day and age, Jesus of Nazareth was considered a “liberal”. :rolleyes:
 
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masterjedi747:
Well no, I haven’t. And no, it’s not.
Because applying terms such as “conservative” and “liberal” is almost always a subjective process, depending on what the culture is like. What’s “conservative” for one culture can be “liberal” for another, and what’s “liberal” for one culture might be “extremely liberal” for another. It really depends upon what you are being labeled as “liberal” and “conservative” in relation to…that is, how you measure up against the current standard of your society. In the modern world, Christians are very often going to be labeled as “conservative” when it comes to religious values. But guess what? In His day and age, Jesus of Nazareth was considered a “liberal”. :rolleyes:
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Excellent point. It also goes back into people talking about how certain things should never change. But that’s impossible. Jesus was an agent of change. I think if Jesus came back and encountered the rigid in-flexibility in the house that He built, He would be deeply saddened. Jesus never meant for us to never form our own ideas and views.
 
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