VA Tech Shooting: What can we possibly do?

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I’m not convinced there is one. Every time the subject comes up we just hear personal opinions - often well-argued personal opinions, but still just personal opinions.
as far as it being a personal opinion interpretation…

if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and acts like a duck. it’s probably a duck.

someone on Catholic answers, i’m sure, would argue it’s an owl, however.

i think their interpretation (vern and knight) is right on the money.

well done, guys.
 
No he doesn’t. He says the apostles at the time didn’t understand what Jesus meant. It may have been a more coherent story if it had been rewritten so that the apostles appeared to always know what Jesus was talking about at the time he said it, but it would be less honest and less human.
Whoa, big fella!

Luke wrote loooooooong after Pentecost. Your theory would have him taking down the conversation in real time, in shorthand.

Now, go through the gospels and count the number of times the Apostles or others of Jesus audience didn’t understand him – and note how He explains, and how the gospel author explains His message – for example, when He said He could rebuild the Temple in three days “But he meant the temple of his body.”
That’s a new and interesting definition of ‘literal’. He didn’t ‘bring’ a literal sword at all as an alternative to peace. He brought the Word of God, the Truth, which does indeed cause strife and fighting, maybe even sometimes involving swords, but Jesus himself wasn’t standing there with an actual sword he’d brought along with him!

Mike
Nor did He say He had a sword. But nevertheless, there were swords – literal swords – aplenty in the Church’s future.
 
Whoa, big fella!
Why? I’m just defending the footnote writer from your unfair allegation that he is saying Luke didn’t know what he was talking about.
Nor did He say He had a sword. But nevertheless, there were swords – literal swords – aplenty in the Church’s future.
Yes, of course. But Jesus himself didn’t bring a literal sword, despite the fact he specifically said he came to bring one.

Mike
 
Ted Bundy did not have a gun. Jeffrey Dahmer didn’t have a gun. Although I believe that really no civilians should have guns, I also just think it’s a symptom of Monday’s tragedy at VA Tech. The problem is that our society has become so angry and violent…it can be seen everywhere. On the streets–roadrage. It can be seen in schools-Columbine. It can be seen between men and women–Ted Bundy, etc…It can be seen domestic disputes–OJ Simpson (he is guilty) Our international neighbors dislike us, and used planes to kill those in the WTC’s.

In many violent crimes, guns are not used. So…are guns truly the ultimate problem? No…I don’t think so–they are the violent means used today in many cases–to express anger. Anger is the problem. Why is everyone so angry? Why are kids so angry?

Once we can start looking at why our society is so angry–maybe we can start resolving the violence. Just my thoughts.
 
The bad thing is you do something because you think the person is mentally ill you can get sued. If he does do something, then you get sued for not doing anything. People do have privacy and civil rights.

The problems with the initial resonse, reminds me of the bomb scare in Boston, that was actually a publicity stunt for a show on the Cartoon network. While there are some strikingly different circumstances, it does show how there can be hesitation to over reacting.
 
I read an article in Newsweek the other day, by a woman: I forget her name now. It dealt with the factors involved, that allow for a mass murderer to be identified, within some framework of characteristics–some more critical than others.

Not knowing what amount of thought others have given to this, and understanding: some of what was written could easily have been assumed reasonably with common sense, but to spell out some of the characteristics, that go into mass murderers: low activity in the frontal lobe only becomes an issue, with abuse(s) occurring in childhood. There typically is a long train of real, or perceived insults, which stimulate the aggression. Aggression will drive up levels of testosterone, beyond any level able to be reached with testosterone driving up aggression. Some people enjoy high levels of testosterone; either stimulated by aggression, or by whatever else might stimulate testosterone. He did have sexual behaviors that I believe were addressed at least, by one instructor.

Typically, addressing such a person more prone than others toward mass murderers with suggestion(s), doctors orders, etc. with counseling is usually futile, largely for the reason, that such persons suffer from what the doctor, who wrote “The Road Less Traveled” termed: character disorder, antithetical to neurosis–character disorder being the lack of willingness on the part of a person to acknowledge their own responsibility for what clearly are wrongs committed against either self, or others, or both self and others.

This character disorder in the case of Cho, when advised toward counseling resulted not only in the refusal to be counseled, but in the apparent incessant blame toward others, for all his suffering, which gave him the willpower to murder thirty-two or more students–all his problems were a consequence of somebody else to blame.

Paranoia apparently is the fundamental flaw replacing whatever healthy needs and the means to satisfy them ordinarily exist for people, that exist with the conflict of how to satisfy such needs as self-importance, a meaningful existence to self and to others, in addition to the obvious: food, shelter, clothing, and the medium(s) used in exchange for these, inclusive of safety, self-preservation, eternity, family, etc.

Culture seems an important element, that will curb any would-be mass murderer: attitudes toward weapons, the meaning of weapons in a persons life, violent/non-violent behaviors as solutions to problems–fundamental to a healthy person is the ability to be empathetic: to place yourself in the shoes of another, so-to-speak.

One problem, a major problem concerning character disorder and those “diagnosed” with it: it is incredibly time-consuming to break a person out of a character disorder, to encourage such a person toward recognizing, understanding, their own fault(s). Confession is never an option for those with character disorder, between man, or God, or both man and God.

No matter what may, or may not have been done for Cho by faculty, and administration: they would have had an uphill battle all the way, against him; though, it does seem there was a willingness on the part of Cho to communicate conflict in his life–given his plays, his videotape, his overt behaviors; though, it may only have been for the sake of communicating warnings, not a need for help, but for others to obtain safety for themselves, or to change their position in his life to be less threatening toward him, in whatever way, that he perceived them to be a threat to his own person.

Clearly, he believed: he had done the world a favor.

I have no idea why I thought that I would share the contents of this article–it seemed a good way to communicate others views, that attempt to understand, that other people in life simply find no way at all to be responsible, for their own problems–rather than everyone else’s.
 
… are guns truly the ultimate problem? … they are the violent means used today in many cases–to express anger. Anger is the problem. Why is everyone so angry? …
Look into Catholic Youth Ministry, and I believe it is “Renewing the Vision” at the USCCB website. There are forty assets requisite to a healthy upbringing both through adolescence and through puberty, close to young adulthood. Most children lack these assets in the United States. Hypothetically, this translates into our youths in America feeling oppressed, which results in anger.

I went down the hill from where I live to an appointment at a Veteran’s Affairs outpatient clinic. My appointment was close to the noon hour, which meant: I would eat lunch down the street from my appointment at Mc Donald’s–I like the dollar menu for food portions, and friendliness to my pocketbook. I arrived there. At some point, I needed the men’s room. I dislike grafitti on bathroom stalls, though, it does reveal certain more intimate details of those within our culture: frustrations, desires, feelings of revenge, heartaches, or limmerick wit. Ordinarily, obscene and disgusting as grafitti can be in a bathroom stall–I never in my life, except to this point felt terror from the grafitti I read: except in the implicit characteristics of gang presence associated with grafitti–more typical along dilapidated buildings, rundown neighborhoods along freeways, railroads, etc.

This time, I felt terror. Someone wrote the following words, which I believe does give an answer to your question about the anger in our society among our youth, and this is a paraphrase of what I recall: You ask about our anger–the shape of our anger is the force of [yer] oppression. Kill your parents.

People feel oppressed in America’s culture. America is a brandname.

Our culture moved in the 1970’s from infacide, or feticide to euthanasia in the 1980’s, and is moving toward suicide as a right among supporters of The Hemlock Society, and seems now to be moving toward patricide in this century. Oppression will result in aggression, and clearly everyone elses wrongs become our own personal problems, while we our own problems are never a problem to anyone else, only solutions. Character, good character seems to be a reasonable solution; though, good character seems to translate only into victims of inferiority complexes–it is politically correct to be a mass murderer; many are too ashamed to admit it.
 
Too many things that profile a person a Mass/Serial Murder fit me yet I’ve never killed anything more than a flea. If I were to do anything, it would be inward.

Does that make it fair to deprive me of an education, normal as possible life, etc., etc… NO it doesn’t.

SOMETIMES UNFORTUNATE THINGS JUST HAPPEN!! It accomplishes nothing to deprive many people of living a normal life for a ONE person.

My favorite place to blame this problem is on a disfunctional opposite parent. What are you going to do about that? Unfortunately, my father is dead because, now at 50 yrs of age, I’m ready to tell him off.
 
Too many things that profile a person a Mass/Serial Murder fit me yet I’ve never killed anything more than a flea. … My favorite place to blame this problem is on a disfunctional opposite parent. What are you going to do about that? …, my father is dead …, now at 50 yrs of age, I’m ready to tell him off.
One of the more obvious, yet it would seem, neglected characteristics of a mass murderer is the willingness to do the work of a mass murderer: Cho and others were willing to pull triggers on others–you apparently, no matter the fact, which you admit, that you possess characteristics similar to mass murderers–you remain unwilling to so much as harm a flea; though, you apparently lack concern for the internal nature of whatever damage can be done, with an internal focus.

You ask: what are [you] going to do about the blame laid against some dysfunctional opposite parent–whom you blame; express your blame toward, etc. is your own responsibility; what is there for me to do about it? You have been responsible, no matter how or what treatment you were given by your father–you have been responsible for your behaviors, at least under the law as I recognize it for some thirty-two yrs. now. It is your responsibility as you know, to resolve whatever problems you have in your life, no matter where those problems originated. It was Cho’s responsibility to handle the problems, that he believed others gave him. Tragically, he chose violent solutions–even in his writings.
 
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