'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge in 'major incident'

[josie_L]

True, Churchill was not the darling of the British people at first. But wasn’t he a young man at the time? Trump is now 70; when will his views become more palatable to most of the public in the U.S.?

I can hardly believe I’m actually comparing Trump to Churchill.

I’m not per se comparing Trump to Churchill, but they have some parallel experiences, that maybe, just maybe, may prove Trump right on a number of issues that the leftist media and elites are deriding him for.

G-d Bless!

 

[dvdjs]

No, he later spoke of London being the safest city in the world, and no, I have no data, except that which I read in the News, i.e., it seems that London and England as a whole are being targeted by terrorists (and sex grooming “asian” gangs, aka, Pakistani and Bangledeshi Muslims). I would be hard-pressed to believe that it is the safest city in the world.

Do you believe that London is the safest city in the world?

p.s. I heard what he said at the vigil, and I am much happier with what he said, not that he cares.

 

[dvdjs]

No, he later spoke of London being the safest city in the world

I can’t find this. In addition to “one of the safest cities…”, I have also heard “the safest global city…”, but I haven’t found the statement that you attribute to him. A link would help.

and no, I have no data, except that which I read in the News, i.e., it seems that London and England as a whole are being targeted by terrorists (and sex grooming “asian” gangs, aka, Pakistani and Bangledeshi Muslims). I would be hard-pressed to believe that it is the safest city in the world.

Do you believe that London is the safest city in the world?

I don’t have beliefs on such matters.
I looked at a list of most populous cities and compared the safety index ranking of these cities. The safest major cities are in Japan, Korea, and China. Apart from these London has the highest index apart from Moscow which edges it out by less that a point on a scale that ranges from 13.4 to 84.5 for the 378 highest crime index cities.

From my own experience, I have always felt safer, less guarded, in every city that I have been in in Europe and Asia - even ones that, by world standards have a reputation as being tough - than most every major city in the US.

 

[josie_L]

I can’t find this. In addition to “one of the safest cities…”, I have also heard “the safest global city…”, but I haven’t found the statement that you attribute to him. A link would help

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And that is what I am referring to:

Originally Posted by Sojourner003 View Post

Either Mr. Trump misunderstood what Mr. Khan had said or distorted it. During an interview shown on the BBC, the mayor said he was “appalled and furious that these cowardly terrorists would target” innocent civilians and vowed that “we will never let them win, nor will we allow them to cower our city.”
He went on to say that residents should not worry as they encounter more police officers patrolling the streets.
“Londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days,” Mr. Khan said. “No reason to be alarmed. One of the things, the police, all of us need to do, is make sure we’re as safe as we possibly can be. I’m reassured that we are one of the safest global cities in the world,** if not the safest global city in the world**, but we always evolve and review ways to make sure that we remain as safe as we possibly can.”
Mr. Khan’s office later dismissed the president’s post, saying the mayor was too busy to reply. “He has more important things to do than respond to Donald Trump’s ill-informed tweet that deliberately takes out of context his remarks urging Londoners not to be alarmed when they saw more police — including armed officers — on the streets,” a spokesman for the mayor said in a statement.
nytimes.com/2017/06/04/u…torm.html?_r=0

I don’t have beliefs on such matters.

I looked at a list of the most populous cities and compared the safety index ranking of these cities. The safest major cities are in Japan, Korea, and China. Apart from these London has the highest index apart from Moscow which edges it out by less that a point on a scale that ranges from 13.4 to 84.5 for the 378 highest crime index cities.

From my own experience, I have always felt safer, less guarded, in every city that I have been in in Europe and Asia - even ones that, by world standards have a reputation as being tough - than most every major city in the US.

Does that change the fact that London/England is now being targeted by terrorists and is harbouring more than her fair share of radicals?

There have been no less than three terrorist attacks in 3 months in the U.K.

And although I tried to find something that would give me an indication of where London stood vis a vis a terrorism index, there is a global (by country) terrorism index, and the UK is ranked 28th out of 50 countries, who are most afflicted by terrorism.

Although, the info needs to be updated, and more than likely that would be mean a higher terrorism rating (published as of February 2017). . .

worldatlas.com/articles/the-global-terrorism-index-countries-most-affected-by-terrorist-attacks.html

p.s. It beat out all Western countries/European countries, with the exception of the Ukraine.

 

[LtTony]

I already did.
Just go to the Mayor of London’s twitter page to see what else besides Trump’s bit quote, he has said. Be sure also to look at the interview in which “do not be alarmed” was spoken to understand what he was saying was should not be seen as a cause of alarm.

I think by now we all know he was referring to extra police presence.

And why the extra police presence? Because of a terrorist attack. Practically back to back terrorist attacks. And to say not to be alarmed??? I think London or should be alarmed.
Don’t get me wrong. Trump should know when to keep quiet, and not Twitter so much. It is beneath his office. He should let someone else ridicule the mayor.

 

[dvdjs]

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And that is what I am referring to …

So why not get the quote right?
One might quibble with what he might be thinking about what is or is not a “global” city, but please stick to what he actually said.

Does that change the fact that London/England is now being targeted by terrorists and is harbouring more than her fair share of radicals?

Harbouring? Nice.

What I think is this:
As JC has pointed out, London has been through worse, in global war and in wars of terror. The British have a quiet and certain resolve in the face of such challenges, and an even-tempered way of responding. This character has served them well.

I have no idea what people think would be served by suggesting that the presence of extra police is a cause for alarm.

And in the face of these acts, it by no means obvious that London is less safe than, say, any of the largest cities of South America, or the US.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I’m not per se comparing Trump to Churchill, but they have some parallel experiences, that maybe, just maybe, may prove Trump right on a number of issues that the leftist media and elites are deriding him for.

G-d Bless!

I think what Meltzerboy was referring to was their distinct personalities and personas.
But I understand your points of comparison which I agree with.

 

[dvdjs]

And why the extra police presence? Because of a terrorist attack. Practically back to back terrorist attacks. And to say not to be alarmed??? I think London or should be alarmed.

Don’t get me wrong. Trump should know when to keep quiet, and not Twitter so much. It is beneath his office. He should let someone else ridicule the mayor.

We agree that Trump acted beneath his office.
I am surprised that you, Lt., call for alarm. Steadfast resolve and vigilance. And even, as Trump suggested, being smart. I am sorry that you seem to call for ridicule. And it is very clear from the Mayor’s remarks that he is not unaware of the terrorist atttack.

 

[josie_L]

So why not get the quote right?
One might quibble with what he might be thinking about what is or is not a “global” city, but please stick to what he actually said.

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That is in essence what he said, i.e., I’m not changing the meaning of his words, only the order of it

Harbouring? Nice.

I am not using the word in the way you perceived I am (sorry for the confusion), I mean that many terrorists/radicals have made England their home, and it’s starting to bear fruit.

What I think is this:
As JC has pointed out, London has been through worse, in global war and in wars of terror. The British have a quiet and certain resolve in the face of such challenges, and an even-tempered way of responding. This character has served them well.

I have no idea what people think would be served by suggesting that the presence of extra police is a cause for alarm.

And in the face of these acts, it by no means obvious that London is less safe than, say, any of the largest cities of South America, or the US.

If you wish to be pedantic about this discussion, then, technically, I still am right, i.e., London is not the safest city in the world.

p.s. I hope for the sake of Londoners and the British, that something is done to oust these radicals out. And that IS my final response on this subject.

God bless!

 

[dvdjs]

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That is in essence what he said, i.e., I’m not changing the meaning of his words, only the order of it

. You eaither dropped “one of” or “global”

I am not using the word in the way you perceived I am (sorry for the confusion), I mean that many terrorists/radicals have made England their home, and it’s starting to bear fruit.

Fair enough.

If you wish to be pedantic about this discussion, then, technically, I still am right, i.e., London is not the safest city in the world.

Of course, the mayor didn’t really make that claim. But the real point is, even if he did, what is the point of calling him out.

p.s. I hope for the sake of Londoners and the British, that something is done to oust these radicals out.

I think we an all agree on that.

 

[upant]

The police had guns. All suspects were shot dead within 8 minutes.

How many victims would a bad man with a gun have killed?

Lou

the daily mail wrote about illegal guns 2 years ago. they are being smuggled in. it is just a matter of time.

The National Crime Agency has warned of the ‘increased threat’ posed by Skorpion weapons from the Czech Republic imported by gangs which could be used to kills dozens of people in copycat of the attack in Tunisia on Friday.

the suspects may have been shot dead in 8 minutes but there were also reports of the community police running away. how many could have been save if just the community police were armed.

what happens when the good guys carry:

youtube.com/watch?v=xzcJbUqFz90

 

[upant]

your description of their role doesn’t make sense to me. why have the position if they have no authority and are openly defied? i only know what their website offers.

even if they are only security officers; times are changing and we need to train and equip those on the front line to be able to meet the current threat. no officer should have to run away for lack of training or equipment.

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[josie_L]

. You eaither dropped “one of” or “global”

No, I didn’t. Read the text I quoted, and the part I emboldened.

 

[Inisfallen]

Sounds like New York City’s auxiliary police. Although they wear NYPD uniforms, they’re unarmed, and don’t have the same degree of authority that actual police officers have.

 

[dvdjs]

No, I didn’t. Read the text I quoted, and the part I emboldened.

Yes, that tells the tale.

Originally Posted by josie L
No, he later spoke of London being the safest city in the world

In your second guessing of the the mayor’s communications you changed his claim of London being “one of the safest cities in the world” and “the safest global city”. You said he spoke of “London being the safest city in the world”.

As I pointed out earlier, his actual quotes are perhaps arguable but they are not indefensibly. It seems that people went out of their way to attack the mayor’s messaging for no good reason.

 

[Caldera]

‘I Trusted Him’: London Attacker Was Friendly With Neighbors

LONDON — Everyone called him “Abs.” He gave out Halloween candy to children and taught them how to play Ping-Pong. He invited his neighbors to a barbecue.

But Khurum Shazad Butt was not the typical resident of the East London neighborhood of Barking. He dressed in the religious gown of a conservative Muslim — with a tracksuit and sneakers underneath. He turned up in a Channel 4 documentary, “The Jihadis Next Door.” And now London’s Metropolitan Police have identified him as one of the three men who carried out the deadly terror attack on Saturday at London Bridge and Borough Market.

more…
nytimes.com/2017/06/05/world/europe/london-attack-theresa-may.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1

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David Wood:
youtube.com/watch?v=MmWJMuC_Jx8

 

[josie_L]

Yes, that tells the tale.

In your second guessing of the the mayor’s communications you changed his claim of London being “one of the safest cities in the world” and “the safest global city”. You said he spoke of “London being the safest city in the world”.

As I pointed out earlier, his actual quotes are perhaps arguable but they are not indefensibly. It seems that people went out of their way to attack the mayor’s messaging for no good reason.

What does “if not the safest global city in the world” mean to you? Not the kind of exaggerations or claims we need to hear after a terrorist attack, i.e., reassure the public without having to feed them pablum/nonsense.

 

[Seamus_L]

Wanstead attack: Nursery worker stabbed bbc.com/news/uk-40189916