'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge in 'major incident'

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Reuben_J said:
Make no mistake, to them they are fighting a holy war. The problem with the West is we’re in a denial.

It is for the cause of Allah, not for themselves. What they do is for Allah, like it’s a consecration to Him. It is understandable that it should be done in a holy month.

To think that they shouldn’t go to war during this month is pretty naive because we do not want to believe that they do.

This is religious extremism. They see the West as the enemies of their god which they should protect.

The government should handle this harshly as any compromise could only be played into their hands, which is seen as a weakness. There is no two ways about it. Half hearted effort will not destroy them, and if they are not destroyed or prevented, they will come back and kill us some more.
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I’m a little disappointed most media reports haven’t noted or even implied that it is Islamic terrorism again. Despite at least one report of what the attackers were screaming when they stabbed people. In fairness, it was the Daily Mail, so…
 
The problem is US/UK/NATO etc…have killed 1000s of innocent people in the middle East.
They are just taking the revenge.
 
U.K. is acknowledging it as terrorism, 2 seperate attacks, fake bomb jackets.
The perps were shot dead in 8 minutes. Armed response was there in 2 minutes!

You don’t get more serious about a response to terrorism then that.

No one takes revenge by ploughing into people, then stabbing them. Its terror. Its not revenge.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
U.K. is acknowledging it as terrorism, 2 seperate attacks, fake bomb jackets.
The perps were shot dead in 8 minutes. Armed response was there in 2 minutes!

You don’t get more serious about a response to terrorism then that.
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I just heard someone say on TV. “London has a very impressive response team”. then the man continued with something like “Unfortunately we do not have good prevention”

I think he had a great point.
 
rock022 said:
I just heard someone say on TV. “London has a very impressive response team”. then the man continued with something like “Unfortunately we do not have good prevention”

I think he had a great point.
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That is a good point.
 
Family in Canada told me of this early today and this is the latest full report

breakingnews.ie/world/london-terror-attack-six-dead-48-injured-three-suspects-killed-792326.html

Being English to the bones and there until around 15 years ago, deeply deeply shocked and in grief.

Seeing the armed police that are necessary there now ?

What they are reducing us to

All that is appropriate today is grief and prayer and deep respect for all involved. Nothing more.

Please focus on that? Blessings and thanks in Jesus.
 
LtTony said:
I’m a little disappointed most media reports haven’t noted or even implied that it is Islamic terrorism again. Despite at least one report of what the attackers were screaming when they stabbed people. In fairness, it was the Daily Mail, so…
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Didn’t Trump demand it was imperative that Obama and Hillary call it Radical Islamic terrorism and now he refuses to use the very phrase he demanded we all use? We should all be disappointed he won’t call it what it is and politicized this tragedy for his travel ban of countries with ZERO (the goose egg) terrorists who have attacked us. Why’s he still using Obama’s list for that travel ban when he (not Obama) is the POTUS now? Why is Trump using Obama’s list for his travel ban? Why won’t Trump call it Radical Islamic terrorism anymore? How cowardly not to call it what it is.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Since Ramadan began, there was the taking of the city in the Philippines, two suicide bombings in Baghdad, the suicide bomber at the Ariana Grande concert, the Kabul car bombing that killed 90 and wounded over 400 and now two more attacks in London.

Why during a Holy time, would they want to cause death and injuries to innocent people-Muslims and Christians alike? I am not sure if the attack on the Egyptian Christians on their way to a monastery happened after Ramadan began but it happened very close to it.

Why aren’t other Muslims upset that their Ramadan is used by terrorists to cause
death, maiming, chaos and mayhem.

I did just hear on the news that Ramadan is when Islamic conquest takes place. So I
guess that answers my question.
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How do you know there aren’t Muslims upset with this? That’s like saying all Christians should have to apologize any time there’s domestic terrorism committed by anti-Muslim terrorists like what happened in Portland. It’s mental illness in those cases, but it’s never mental illness when it’s Radical Islamic terrorism - as though a sane Muslim would be capable of such actions. Double standard.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that those carbines can fire in semi-auto, single shot. In that respect, they are much more accurate than pistol fire.

They are somewhat between the 5-10m effective range of a pistol and the 200m range of a rifle.

A police officer could engage a target that was 50-100 meters away, where a pistol would be too inaccurate and would risk hitting civilians.

So the use of the MP5s does not necessarily entail accepting civilian casualties, the more accurate fire would go a long way in preventing that.
 
rock022 said:
I just heard someone say on TV. “London has a very impressive response team”. then the man continued with something like “Unfortunately we do not have good prevention”

I think he had a great point.
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A statement like that would require facts to back it up. Where has the Brit security published their numbers, - successful ops preventing a terror event vs those that slipped through.

Did that tv presenter provide them?
 
7_Sorrows said:
Since Ramadan began, there was the taking of the city in the Philippines, two suicide bombings in Baghdad, the suicide bomber at the Ariana Grande concert, the Kabul car bombing that killed 90 and wounded over 400 and now two more attacks in London.

Why during a Holy time, would they want to cause death and injuries to innocent people-Muslims and Christians alike? I am not sure if the attack on the Egyptian Christians on their way to a monastery happened after Ramadan began but it happened very close to it.

Why aren’t other Muslims upset that their Ramadan is used by terrorists to cause
death, maiming, chaos and mayhem.

I did just hear on the news that Ramadan is when Islamic conquest takes place. So I
guess that answers my question.
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US launched 59 toamhak missiles on Syria during the lent season. Muslims might be saying Christians conquest takes place during their lent season too
 
abinjoy said:
US launched 59 toamhak missiles on Syria during the lent season. Muslims might be saying Christians conquest takes place during their lent season too
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The US is not a Christian country, just founded on Judao Christian principles. It is not and never will be a Christian country
 
Isn’t it a simplistic view of Islam to ask why Muslims don’t apologize every time a radicalized (possibly mentally ill) Muslim goes out and kills people?
 
abinjoy said:
The problem is US/UK/NATO etc…have killed 1000s of innocent people in the middle East.
They are just taking the revenge.
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Really?

Has the Philippines also bombed innocents in the Middle East or have the Christians in Egypt been at war with the Middle East?

This is terrorism, global scale, and not so called revenge killing.
 
Trump called out the Manchester terrorists. What about the one in Portland?

*"So what name does President Trump have in mind for Jeremy Joseph Christian? Trump has to be working on something, since name-calling is his weapon of choice when it comes to branding people. If nothing else, Christian, identified by authorities as the perpetrator of last week’s horrifying, hate-filled terrorist attack in Portland, Ore., warrants being called out for the wretched creature that he is.

Trump had no problem doing just that when it came to the terrorists involved in the Manchester, England, attack that killed 22 people. “I won’t call them monsters because they would like that term,” Trump said. “I will call them, from now on, losers, because that’s what they are. They’re losers.”*
washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-called-out-the-manchester-terrorists-what-about-the-one-in-portland/2017/06/02/ce76fc1a-470a-11e7-a196-a1bb629f64cb_story.html?utm_term=.ede75f6d465e
 
That’s true but even the representatives of the Quilliam Foundation here in the UK, who are Muslims, are saying that adherents to Islamist Salafi jihadi ideology are not an “insignificant number”. The radicalization does not begin with ISIS. It begins in mosques, community centres and homes where extremist propaganda is viewed.

We are dealing with a theology, ultimately. And the only ones with the power to stem that theology at source are Imams and Islamic jurists, not to mention those who run schools and community centres.

As I have explained in the past, terrorism is not inherent to Islam. The orthodox fiqhs such as the Hanafi do not condone indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, whether they are practitioners of Islam or not. But the Salafi jihadi theology is not some flash in the pan. It’s more widespread than we want to admit, than many decent Muslims want to admit as well.

And it does have basis in Islamic theology. Wayward, horribly warped theology. But Islamic theology no less.
 
If I understand correctly, don’t jihadis all over the world see the West as Crusaders?

Simplistic and downright false but that is what they believe in.
 
Undoubtedly, Western powers (and other powers, like Assad’s government releasing ISIS criminals from the jails at the very beginning of the civil war and Russia) have inadvertently helped to destabilize regions of the Middle East by their actions or omissions - Iraq, Syria, Libya - in places from which this cancer has sprouted and spread.

But we all know that it goes deeper. We protect the House of Saud, from underneath which most of the hate preaching and funding is exported.
 
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