That is a very interesting paradox. If you use WWII as an example, if we did not go to war at least one innocent person dies (concentration camps) but by going to war at least one innocent person will die. What do you do?
Satan is the father of lies. If you lie, you are worshipping Satan. (I’m not saying that you do lie. IThe rhetoric on all sides is getting a bit overheated, I admit. I presume that you would not deliberately lie even about Satanists.)
When did I say I lie about anyone? I said I would not take the time to clear up “misrepresentations” about what they believe because in the greater picture my defense would actually detract from my own mission to defend Christ, His Church and the Bible. I feel that Pro spends way to much time defending heresies and too little time correcting their erroneous teachings about Christ.
Or perhaps I’m not really a liberal. I don’t believe that priests of the Church should be allowed to advocate killing the innocent. (In a post to pro_universal you drew a contrast with women’s ordination. I personally believe in women’s ordination, although tentatively given the opposition of Catholicism and the Orthodox and the vast amount of tradition that’s against it. So I’d be happy to see Catholic priests allowed to discuss the matter, but I recognize the right of the Church to decide otherwise. You will not find me complaining about a violation of “free speech” because the Church regulates what her representatives can teach. And when it comes to issues involving life–such as abortion or your advocacy of nuclear warfare–I entirely support excommunication.)
That’s a good point. I was out of line, and I apologize. Though I’d like to point out that, as I said, I have no idea who you are offline, and I specifically said that I was glad of that. I did not intend to try to go after you offline and was not threatening to do so–I was simply venting my anger that a priest of the Catholic Church could maintain such an immoral position. Still, it was inappropriate on a discussion board.
So do I! ECUSA’s position on abortion is just as immoral as your position on nuclear warfare. (It’s based on a similarly pragmatic approach to morality.) ECUSA’s position on homosexuality (or more precisely the position it appears to be adopting in recent years) is also immoral, but the issue is trivial compared to the taking of innocent life.
Since they appear to have decided that it’s morally permissible, I’d say them, since they certainly are less likely to be deterred by practical considerations. But it remains true that the U.S. is the only nation that has ever used nuclear weapons. So I don’t think Americans have much ground to claim moral superiority on this score.
OK, I understand. I still don’t agree, because I think we are not talking about nuances but about significant misrepresentations. And I think it’s more important for Christians to correct other Christians than to try to change the mind of every heretic and heathen out there.
Yes, which is why I think both of us would be doing well to have half of his virtues. But don’t forget everything that came before that point. If he had gotten his way, there would have been two Dark Towers grinning at each other across a foul wasteland. And I firmly believe that the same is true of your policies.
Most certainly not. Osama is a human being.
I didn’t say that war was wrong. I said bombing civilian targets was wrong.
I’m sure the Nazi’s would’ve obliged, if you can’t call WWII a just war, there is no just war. Without WWII, there would be no more Jews, plain and simple.
Fair enough.
What is your evidence for that?
What are you talking about? The Church’s teaching on this war in particular is clear: It is not to be expanded to attack noncombatant muslims simply because of their religion.
Sorry for the “rail against Islam” expression. Others have railed, and I was wrong to associate you with them. I wouldn’t like to be associated with everything pro_universal has said!
I wouldn’t wish that on you either, because being associated with me might make you a muslim too.
LOL! I’ve been waiting for someone to accuse me of that.
Thumbs up to all. Thanks.
So from my perspective you are a heretic for advocating the ordination of women. Ok, we have laid bulls of excommunication on each others altars. So far the Church has not ruled on my scenerio. Let’s hope they don’t find it necessary to do so. The US did use them. However, that was before they were fully understood. Since then we have not despite any provocations. Our enemies however seem to have no compunction. Basically my idea is not new. Mutually assured destruction is essentially deterence. Sometimes that’s the only thing that keeps the Osama’s of this world in line. You can’t be nice to Sauron and his orcs. They were once normal but have become twisted. To defeat them they and Mordor had to be destroyed. You cannot compromise with such evil.
Can you quote me on justifying bombing kids at pizza joints in Israel???