Vatican Denies Interviewer's claim Regarding Pope Francis

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I must be reading a different Lifesite article than some of you. It is a very balanced article (except the word “favorite”) in the title puts a bad spin on it.

Reread and tell me I’m wrong…it mentions Raymond Arroyo’s disbelief this was said and it includes the words of the Vatican.

This is extremely fair in my opinion on a newsworthy article.
 
Scott84 said:
Two conflicting articles here, I don’t know what to believe. What is happening here?
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I don’t think that the articles are necessarily in conflict with regards to what was claimed. The reporter speaking to the pope made claims that the pope said something and the Vatican said that the reporter was factually wrong in his comment.
 
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I trust the Vatican. I trust the Pope.

I pray that the Holy Father be defended from his enemies.
 
My gut feeling is not to believe this horrible news story. I am very tired of fake news. At any rate…this is a good time for everyone to recall the Words of Jesus Christ.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”
Matthew 7:21
 
tafan2 said:
It should not be given a headline that lifeSiteNews gives
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It’s LifeSiteNews. They have found a great way to raise funds by being pro-Trump and anti-Francis. No better than televangelists.
 
Seriously makes me wonder why the pope does a couple of things:
A. Continues to grant these ridiculous interviews.
B. Doesn’t address these claims straight up. The Vatican claims all sorts of stuff. The pope makes all sorts of statements. Why can’t he address this himself.
 
tseleehw said:
Don’t talk about the hard stuff, the stuff they can’t stomach, just the stuff they’ll agree with, in an attempt to bring them over to your side.
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Code word: Interfaith

Interfaith dialogue

Interfaith medicine

Interfaith chapel

Interfaith education

The stuff for the more spiritually advanced.
Been going on for decades…large scale.
http://www.aimintl.org/fr/
https://www.aim-usa.org
http://monasticinterreligiousdialogue.com
Funny little Americans like myself are generally too small to see the greater picture.

There is nothing hidden about all this.
And what I see is a thrust for global alliance.
I would like to repeat what the Doctrine of the Church says about this: When we acknowledge international organizations and we recognize their capacity to give judgment, on a global scale – for example, the international tribunal in The Hague, or the United Nations. If we consider ourselves humanity, when they make statements, our duty is to obey. It is true that not all things that appear just for the whole of humanity will also be so for our pockets, but we must obey international institutions. That is why the United Nations was created. That’s why international courts were created.~PopeFrancis~
Full Text of Pope Francis' In-Flight Press Conference Returning from Africa - ZENIT - English
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I think Donkey that we obey things that we have a trust and respect for. This trust and respect is based on commonly understood and easily recognized values. This is where religion has an advantage because an amalgam of multi national states lack the clarity and rigidness that religious morals enjoy.

Giving one’s allegiance over to elitist people and groups who form a political class is the very opposite of this. When values are voted for in a show of hands by an elitist and largely unaccountable political class this works against so much of the hard fought advances of western Christendom.

I think religion and nationalism are two healthy forces that oppose this backward step and both are being opposed by what is now being called secular globalism.
 
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Well it IS from Lifesitenews (being pro life and Catholic, I really wish they’d stop doing a disservice to those of us with those views)
 
drcube said:
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Mark121359:
Been beaten to death on this forum.
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Apparently not enough because people still post articles from that anti-Pope website.
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Are all these anti-Pope websites too??? :roll_eyes:
https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2019/10/09/did-pope-francis-really-say-that-jesus-isnt-god/

http://m.ncregister.com/62170/d

onepeterfive.com

Scalfari, Friend of Francis, Claims Pope Believes Jesus Was “Not a God At All”

Amidst the raging debate over what was at best a syncretistic (and at worst an overtly pagan) opening ceremony for the Amazon Synod, an early push for ending clerical celibacy from Cardinal Hummes…
onepeterfive.com onepeterfive.com
 
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It would be refreshing to have news articles from it banned on
CAF.
 
Banning? Ending the discussion really helps? That doesn’t work anymore. Have you any idea how necessarily the discussion has broadened here over the years? It has painfully broadened…I sense the careful measures here.
That is a different topic. Let’s discuss the topic of this thread.
 
Why beat around the bush about this? If Scalfari purposefully misquoted the Pope, why hasn’t the Vatican just flat out say that Scalfari is a liar? why give us the politicans vauge answer?

The Vatican never denied that Pope Francis made that Arian statement. Why say Scalfari gave a “free interpretation” and not just state “Scalfari told a lie”? If Pope Francis wants to put an end to the confusion and scandal this atheist brought upon his name, Francis ought to recite the Athanasian Creed to erase all doubt in people’s mind.
 
ConcernedConvert said:
Does being critical of the pope, holding him to the standards set by the church through her teachings, automatically mean that one is (antipope)?
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Not necessarily, but when Catholics obsess over very minor issues in the Church that do not affect them such as how to minister to certain groups of people and then complain about the Pope’s views on these issues, then I would think they are crossing a line.
 
These issues effect everybody. Literally. The Catholic Church is the last beacon of truth in this world. (A universal church that contains the truths and promises of the faith) Changing the way the church (ministers) to certain groups will change it for everyone. The pope himself has approved of criticism and is not above criticism, especially when errors appear so obvious.
 
ConcernedConvert said:
These issues effect everybody. Literally. The Catholic Church is the last beacon of truth in this world. (A universal church that contains the truths and promises of the faith) Changing the way the church (ministers) to certain groups will change it for everyone. The pope himself has approved of criticism and is not above criticism, especially when errors appear so obvious.
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No, changing how it ministers to different people does not change it for everyone as long as the fundamental truths remain the same. I would much prefer that huge groups of people not feeling excluded from the Church because they are sinners of a particular sin. Forming relationships to bring people to the Truth is a first step. The attacks on this Pope for exploring this are much more likely to push people further away from the Church.
 
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