Vatican II: LAY FEMALE SEXUALLY ACTIVE EUCHARISTIC MINISTERS?

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Matthew_Holford said:
That is incorrect. Only priests are Eucharistic ministers. Deacons are not.
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From the Code of Canon Law;
Can. 910 §1 The ordinary minister of holy communion is a Bishop, a priest or a deacon.

§2 The extraordinary minister of holy communion is an acolyte, or another of Christ’s faithful deputed in accordance with can. 230 §3.

(to be complete here is 230 §3)

Can. 230 §3 Where the needs of the Church require and ministers are not available, lay people, even though they are not lectors or acolytes, can supply certain of their functions, that is, exercise the ministry of the word, preside over liturgical prayers, confer baptism and distribute Holy Communion, in accordance with the provisions of the law.
I believe this is shown during the ordination of the deacon, he is given the Gospel book as he is to preach the Gospel and then he is given the Chalice as he is to administer the Chalice.
 
JReducation said:
Do not get discouraged. It takes time before everyone is on the same page.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Thanks for this. Sometimes I get very discouraged at what seems to be a myoptic view of an issue. Or perhaps, more accurately, lack of historical perspective, or something.

I find it a personal struggle when I realize there are so many prisms that people look thru. It’s very troubling to the very fibers of my being.

I try and keep my eyes on Our Lord, but even then I see the troubled waves all around, and it’s not limited to just the cultural waves. Even within the Church there seems to be a competition and need to be “right” and prove your “opponent” wrong.

I look to Christ and pray that He will guide me thru the murky waters of peoples human brains.
 
ByzCath said:
From the Code of Canon Law;
Can. 910 §1 The ordinary minister of holy communion is a Bishop, a priest or a deacon.

§2 The extraordinary minister of holy communion is an acolyte, or another of Christ’s faithful deputed in accordance with can. 230 §3.

(to be complete here is 230 §3)

Can. 230 §3 Where the needs of the Church require and ministers are not available, lay people, even though they are not lectors or acolytes, can supply certain of their functions, that is, exercise the ministry of the word, preside over liturgical prayers, confer baptism and distribute Holy Communion, in accordance with the provisions of the law.
I believe this is shown during the ordination of the deacon, he is given the Gospel book as he is to preach the Gospel and then he is given the Chalice as he is to administer the Chalice.
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I know it sounds the same, but Minister of Holy Communion is different from Eucharistic Minister.

(Extraordinary) Minister of Holy Communion is one who distributes Communion. Eucharistic Minister is one who offers the bread and wine and consecrates it to become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. So it is correct to say that only a priest is the Eucharistic Minister. Also, Eucharistic Minister = one who ministers the Sacrament. Such as the person pouring water and saying the Trinitarian Formula is the minister of Baptism, the husband and wife the ministers of the Sacrament of Matrimony, only the priest can minister the Eucharist.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I know it sounds the same, but Minister of Holy Communion is different from Eucharistic Minister.

(Extraordinary) Minister of Holy Communion is one who distributes Communion. Eucharistic Minister is one who offers the bread and wine and consecrates it to become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. So it is correct to say that only a priest is the Eucharistic Minister. Also, Eucharistic Minister = one who ministers the Sacrament. Such as the person pouring water and saying the Trinitarian Formula is the minister of Baptism, the husband and wife the ministers of the Sacrament of Matrimony, only the priest can minister the Eucharist.
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My reply was to correct the reply that only the priest is an ordinary minister of communion.
 
Considering the thread started out with the title of “LAY FEMALE SEXUALLY ACTIVE EUCHARISTIC MINISTERS” and the emphasis that they seem to have a problem with was the “sexually active” part, I can’t help but think that this thread has served it’s purpose in educating the audience who have read it.

Still not sure why the OP emphasized “sexually active” in the topic thread, but oh well.
 
Marie5890 said:
Considering the thread started out with the title of “LAY FEMALE SEXUALLY ACTIVE EUCHARISTIC MINISTERS” and the emphasis that they seem to have a problem with was the “sexually active” part, I can’t help but think that this thread has served it’s purpose in educating the audience who have read it.

Still not sure why the OP emphasized “sexually active” in the topic thread, but oh well.
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It stems from the misconception that sex is dirty even if done by a married couple. If a married priest has sex with his wife, I do not see why that would be a detriment to his role as Eucharistic Minister. He did not sin with his act.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I know it sounds the same, but Minister of Holy Communion is different from Eucharistic Minister.

(Extraordinary) Minister of Holy Communion is one who distributes Communion. Eucharistic Minister is one who offers the bread and wine and consecrates it to become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. So it is correct to say that only a priest is the Eucharistic Minister. Also, Eucharistic Minister = one who ministers the Sacrament. Such as the person pouring water and saying the Trinitarian Formula is the minister of Baptism, the husband and wife the ministers of the Sacrament of Matrimony, only the priest can minister the Eucharist.
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Slow down TG. You know that I love you to death, but I’m going to pull you back on this one. I’m sorry, I also love Br. David to death too. Both of your are great, awesome human beings.

YUK! I suddenly feel diabetic. :eek:

Oh wait . . . I am diabetic. Forge that. 😃

The reason that the lay person is called “extraordinary” is because he or she is not the person who is supposed to be distributing Holy Communion. He or she should be doing it only when an extraordinary situation arises.

The ordained are called “ordinary” because they are supposed to distribute Holy Communion.

Now, the difference between the Minister of Holy Communion and the Minister of the Eucharist has to do with the event taking place.

The Minister of the Eucharist is the person who is confecting the Eucharist. He is doing the consecrating. That is the event at that moment. Bread and wine are becoming Eucharist.

The Minister of Holy Communion (ordinary and extraordinary) is the person who is distributing Holy Communion. He kicks in at Communion time, not at the consecration.

In the case of a priest or bishop, he can be both: Minster of the Eucharist and Minister of Holy Communion. The deacon is the Minister of Holy Communion.

The acolyte and the EMHC is the Minister of Holy Communion only when there is a need for his or her assistance. Originally, this was limited to taking communion to the sick inside of religious houses. During these later years, this has been extended to allow non-ordained people to take communion to the sick and to help the Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion at a mass where the numbers require some assistance.

For example, my brothers run a parish that has seven masses every weekend. There are six brothers, but only one is ordained. They depend on priests from the local seminary to help celebrate the other masses. They have four permanent deacons, who are not brothers. They also have about 800 people at every mass.

They need to get these people out in order to get the next crowd in. Otherwise, there is no room in the parking lot and the Fire Department and Police will close them down if they block the main artery. To move things along, they use secular lay men and women and the non-clerical brothers to distribute communion. In our case, every one of our non-ordained brothers is a permanent acolyte and lector. Nonetheless, they’re still extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion. They serve alongside the deacons who are Ordinary Minsters of Holy Communion. None of them, are Eucharistic Ministers, since they do not make the Eucharist possible. They only distribute it, not confect it. Do you see the difference?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
ByzCath said:
From the Code of Canon Law;
Can. 910 §1 The ordinary minister of holy communion is a Bishop, a priest or a deacon.

§2 The extraordinary minister of holy communion is an acolyte, or another of Christ’s faithful deputed in accordance with can. 230 §3.

(to be complete here is 230 §3)

Can. 230 §3 Where the needs of the Church require and ministers are not available, lay people, even though they are not lectors or acolytes, can supply certain of their functions, that is, exercise the ministry of the word, preside over liturgical prayers, confer baptism and distribute Holy Communion, in accordance with the provisions of the law.
I believe this is shown during the ordination of the deacon, he is given the Gospel book as he is to preach the Gospel and then he is given the Chalice as he is to administer the Chalice.
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Deacons are not Eucharistic ministers because deacons cannot confect the sacrament of the Eucharist. Only priests (which, of course, includes bishops) acting in persona Christi can confect the Eucharist and so only priests are Eucharistic ministers (cf. Code of Canon Law 1983 Can. 900 §1 and Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum No. 154 (25 March MMIV)).

Bishops, priests and deacons are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

Instituted acolytes are ex officio extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

Lay men and lay women can be commissioned for a fixed term as extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.
 
ByzCath said:
My reply was to correct the reply that only the priest is an ordinary minister of communion.
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If you are referring to what I said in post #60, I said “only priests are Eucharistic ministers”. I did not say that only priests are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion.
 
A woman that brings life in to this world is a tabernacle - granted not the Tabernacle as the Virgin Mary was but a tabernacle that allows life to spring forth from her through God’s plan of sexual intercourse within a marriage. Now when this is all done according to God’s plan within a marriage could someone please tell me how this dirties her but not her husband because I am lost…

Now on a more practical note - having been out to a nursing home or two - there are definetly situations which do call for some female EHMCs for the comfort of the patients. Priests are one thing -but weekly visitors that are lay people - I am telling you those patients are a lot more comfortable to have the same gender with them…

And I am not talking about unmarried women having sex or married women using ABC or having affairs. If you are not prepared to receive you should not be handling His Holy Body and Blood.
 
JReducation said:
Slow down TG. You know that I love you to death, but I’m going to pull you back on this one. I’m sorry, I also love Br. David to death too. Both of your are great, awesome human beings.
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Bro. JR, I must have confused Br. David’s intention with the previous direction of the thread wherein people are confusing (Extraordinary)Ministers of Communion with Eucharistic Minister. I have since apologized for the confusion. Its a slow day today and my brain is at half speed as its Thanksgiving up here. And this is before dinner. Goodluck getting anything sensible from me tonight after dinner :D:D
 
Matthew_Holford said:
Deacons are not Eucharistic ministers because deacons cannot confect the sacrament of the Eucharist. Only priests (which, of course, includes bishops) acting in persona Christi can confect the Eucharist and so only priests are Eucharistic ministers (cf. Code of Canon Law 1983 Can. 900 §1 and Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum No. 154 (25 March MMIV)).

Bishops, priests and deacons are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

Instituted acolytes are ex officio extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

Lay men and lay women can be commissioned for a fixed term as extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.
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Matthew_Holford said:
If you are referring to what I said in post #60, I said “only priests are Eucharistic ministers”. I did not say that only priests are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion.
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Yes, I see what you are saying here, but you are still, technically wrong, priests are not the only Eucharistic ministers, as bishops are also Eucharistic ministers.
 
ByzCath said:
Yes, I see what you are saying here, but you are still, technically wrong, priests are not the only Eucharistic ministers, as bishops are also Eucharistic ministers.
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Doesn’t a Bishop act as a priest during Consecration?
 
ByzCath said:
Yes, I see what you are saying here, but you are still, technically wrong, priests are not the only Eucharistic ministers, as bishops are also Eucharistic ministers.
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Brother, please read my posts more carefully. In this case I am not technically wrong. In the post you quoted you will see that I said: “Only priests (which, of course, includes bishops) …” The word priest is often used as shorthand to include priests and bishops because, of course, bishops enjoy the fullness of the priesthood.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Doesn’t a Bishop act as a priest during Consecration?
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Yes, I guess you could say that but I do not chose to do so. A bishop acts as a bishop in the Mass, he has the fullness of Holy Orders.
Matthew_Holford said:
Brother, please read my posts more carefully. In this case I am not technically wrong. In the post you quoted you will see that I said: “Only priests (which, of course, includes bishops) …” The word priest is often used as shorthand to include priests and bishops because, of course, bishops enjoy the fullness of the priesthood.
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Yes, and I know you and many others know this, but I find that with some on the internet we must be explicit, so I would say priests and bishops, rather than just priests.
 
ByzCath said:
Yes, I guess you could say that but I do not chose to do so. A bishop acts as a bishop in the Mass, he has the fullness of Holy Orders.

Yes, and I know you and many others know this, but I find that with some on the internet we must be explicit, so I would say priests and bishops, rather than just priests.
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Dear Brother, I’m afraid that you seem to be splitting hairs now, which is both unnecessary and unhelpful.🤷

I clearly said that priest includes bishops. ‘Priest’ is often used when both priests and bishops are meant. Even the Church’s own documents use the term priest in this way. Redemptionis Sacramentum #154 uses the world priest; I do not think the Church meant to exclude bishops as Eucharistic Ministers. Likewise Can. 900 §1 only uses the word priest; again, I do not think the Church meant to exclude bishops as Eucharistic Ministers.🙂
 
ByzCath said:
Yes, I see what you are saying here, but you are still, technically wrong, priests are not the only Eucharistic ministers, as bishops are also Eucharistic ministers.
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He included bishops under priests in post 69.

Sometimes I wish that we could just go back to the old language: deacon, presbyter and bishop.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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