Vatican punishes French priest for being a Freemason

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A Roman Catholic parish priest at an elite French ski resort has been stripped of his Church functions for refusing to renounce Freemasonry.
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Father Pascal Vesin was ordered by his bishop to cease his work in the Alpine resort of Megeve, the parish said.
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Bishop Yves Boivineau had warned Fr Vesin about his “active membership” of the Grand Orient de France lodge.
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Freemasonry has been condemned as anti-Christian and anti-clerical by various popes through history.
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bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22656659
 
Sam_777 said:
What is “Freemasonry” :confused:
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Here are the quick answers and I’m so glad to hear Rome is upholding this:
Freemasonry is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Freemasonry teaches a naturalistic religion that espouses indifferentism, the position that a person can be equally pleasing to God while remaining in any religion.
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Masonry is a parallel religion to Christianity. The states, “Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward and punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiative and burial rites” (vol. 6, p. 137).
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Historically, one of Masonry’s primary objectives has been the destruction of the Catholic Church; this is especially true of Freemasonry as it has existed in certain European countries.
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ewtn.com/library/answers/camason1.htm
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Had to withdraw my affiliation with the Masons when told it was a mortal sin. They were the most righteous God fearing folks Ive ever known too…

…just say’en, when I joined in '74 I was assured that I would never be exposed to any anti Catholic teaching or prohibitions …and that was my experience.
 
Robertanthony said:
How did his bishop find out he was a freemason?
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Good question and will this expose another Pandora’s box?

There have been many accusations against members of the Catholic Church, especially after Vatican II, for delving into Masonic activity. I wonder if further investigations are warranted in light of this article.
 
Traditionally, Masons were an enemy of the church and were instrumental in revolutions and forced nationalizations across Europe and the Americas which usually attacked the church. They are a product of the enlightenment that introduced bad ideas into western civilization. But now they probably don’t see themselves as being opposed to “papism” as they had in the past.
 
Being born and raised in the old South, before the influx of my Northern brothers, I have seen the power and influence of the Lodge(masonic) my entire life. It is pervasive and still exists today in most Southern states. While your average mason may not prescribe to the ideology attributed to masonic teachings, the leadership does. And there is a definite methodology behind their actions. Being a member of the local Lodge was/is your ticket to advance in most businesses and professions, especially in the Police, Fire, EMS and civil government. As a Catholic it has been very apparent to me how this system works and it is only now changing due to the influx of Catholics from up North. But in the smaller towns, this rule still stands. You do not want to run afoul of the local Lodge. And a Catholic who believes the teachings and admonishments of The Church is seen as a threat.
 
Several weeks ago a deranged man attacked the choir in a Catholic Church in Albuquerque NM. The reason he stated after his arrest was that he thought the choir director was a Freemason.

The attack came following the same individual painting graffiti on the local Masonic lodge.

While we can respectfully disagree and we can even quote a variety of sources to substantiate our beliefs, we can all agree that physical violence is not the logical answer. Physical violence in this regard actually resolves people to the contrary of what the deranged man was intending to do.

My question for the forum is why wasn’t this act denounced?
Is this the manner we choose to address this issue?

Can. 1374. A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict.

This particular code was changed in 1983 to preclude mention of the Masonic order. That understandably brought about some confusion among the faithful concerning the affiliations with Freemasonry.

I fully and totally agree with the wording but no mention of Freemason is implied or specified. Pope JP II nor Pope Benedict XVI changed the Code of Canon Law to specify Freemasonry again. So if an individual who is a member or the local lodge never experiences or witnessed any plot against the Roman Catholic Church then is the individual obligated to renounce their membership?

I fully understand the opinion of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and its important to remember that this opinion does not carry the weight of Canon Law.

I am not trying to be a discordant element, nor am I promoting and advocating Freemasonry but we need to be very careful about what we say is factual acts and punishments associated by the Holy See.

We should also take a very careful stance with this topic since there are some individuals with limited grasp on reality that may take these words to heart and start their own campaign of violence against organizations that they may view as anti-Catholic. Violence is not the answer. Prayer is the ultimate answer to this topic regardless of the personal viewpoint on the subject.
 
BlueSapphire said:
Thank God, the new broom is beginning to sweep! 👍
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I think they need a bigger broom! The Good people needs to stand up for the true Catholisim and back up the Priest, Bishops, Cardinals and pray for our Pope that he may not only clean house of the wicked but also sweep the dust particles the evil that has been left behind. We need to stand up for what is right before we lose all that is good. For if one doesn’t stand up for what is right then evil comes in. The only way to defeat this evil is pray, pray, pray! Let’s stand together!
 
TexasTech said:
This particular code was changed in 1983 to preclude mention of the Masonic order. That understandably brought about some confusion among the faithful concerning the affiliations with Freemasonry.

I fully and totally agree with the wording but no mention of Freemason is implied or specified. Pope JP II nor Pope Benedict XVI changed the Code of Canon Law to specify Freemasonry again. So if an individual who is a member or the local lodge never experiences or witnessed any plot against the Roman Catholic Church then is the individual obligated to renounce their membership?

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  • the Sacred Congregation points out to the faithful that this membership objectively constitutes a grave sin and by specifying that the members of a Masonic association may not receive Holy Communion, it intends to enlighten the conscience of the faithful about a grave consequence which must derive from their belonging to a Masonic lodge.
Finally, the Sacred Congregation declares that «it is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above». In this regard, the text also refers to the Declaration of 17 February 1981, which already reserved to the Apostolic See all pronouncements on the nature of these associations which may have implied derogations from the Canon Law then in force (Can. 2335). In the same way, the new document issued by the S.C.D.F. in November 1983 expresses identical intentions of reserve concerning pronouncements which would differ from the judgment expressed here on the irreconcilability of Masonic principles with the Catholic faith, on the gravity of the act of joining a lodge and on the consequences which arise from it for receiving Holy Communion.
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vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19850223_declaration-masonic_articolo_en.html

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*It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church’s decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous Code.

This Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance **in due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories. **
Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden.
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vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html

So basically if the judgment is unchanged, those involved in Freemasonry are still excommunicated.
 
Pulvis said:
Being born and raised in the old South, before the influx of my Northern brothers, I have seen the power and influence of the Lodge(masonic) my entire life. It is pervasive and still exists today in most Southern states. While your average mason may not prescribe to the ideology attributed to masonic teachings, the leadership does. And there is a definite methodology behind their actions. Being a member of the local Lodge was/is your ticket to advance in most businesses and professions, especially in the Police, Fire, EMS and civil government. As a Catholic it has been very apparent to me how this system works and it is only now changing due to the influx of Catholics from up North. But in the smaller towns, this rule still stands. You do not want to run afoul of the local Lodge. And a Catholic who believes the teachings and admonishments of The Church is seen as a threat.
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My experience, as well, prior to moving to California.
 
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