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Vatican Secretary of State: Dissident Catholics More Worrying than Atheists
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Joe_Kelley
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In the Seder meal the Jews denounce Laban as a bigger threat than Pharaoh. Internal threats are always more dangerous than external ones.
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Della
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Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone’s comments put me in mind of something St. Bernadette said when asked if she was afraid of the Germans invading France during the Franco-Prussian War. She said the only thing she was afraid of was bad Catholics. If she could only see how much the Faith would be abandoned in her native country, she would have been truly horrified. And in our own day we ought to be horrified by those who want to destroy the orthodoxy of the Church to follow the whims of society, too. That is a much greater threat than attacks from any amount of non-believers.
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Franze
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And he is right
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Kendy
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I was talking to a cafeteria catholic the other day, and I realized just how much she really wants to follow the promptings of the holy spirit. She genuinely loves God, but hasn’t really been taught why the church teaches what it does. Before we rail against dissidents, we need to make sure that we catechize them.
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Image_of_God
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Yes. And I truly think that starts with good catechumens in RCIA.
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MiddleBear
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The problem is that too many dissinters run the RCIA and other faith formation classes.
How many dioceses papers still carry Richard McB ?
How many RCIA and bible classses use Ray Brown material?
How many dioceses papers still carry Richard McB ?
How many RCIA and bible classses use Ray Brown material?
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Tantum_ergo
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It’s a multifaceted problem. And it’s going to take a lot of individual strategies to fix it, because each area of concern, from a bishop to a “Joe Catholic in the pew”, a parish to a diocese, and everything in between, can each have its own slightly different ‘problem’ with obedience and understanding.
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Image_of_God
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They should carry St. Thomas Aquinas material.
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Nohome
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Why? Is RCIA more important than my children? Why not worry first about those that are already in your midst?
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patg
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All of them, I pray.
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Jaypeeto3
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Harummmph.
All of them, I pray, my foot.
Raymond Brown was not a good scripture scholar
and godfearing, orthodox Catholics should strongly beware of his material. Knowing what I know of him, I won’t even spend a dime on his works. Same with Richard McBrien (though Brown was nowhere near as radical as McBrien), “Sister” Joan Chittester, “Sister” Jose Hobday, and all those other
nonCatholics who call themselves Catholic.
All of them, I pray, my foot.
Raymond Brown was not a good scripture scholar
and godfearing, orthodox Catholics should strongly beware of his material. Knowing what I know of him, I won’t even spend a dime on his works. Same with Richard McBrien (though Brown was nowhere near as radical as McBrien), “Sister” Joan Chittester, “Sister” Jose Hobday, and all those other
nonCatholics who call themselves Catholic.
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Kendy
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It’s true. I am taking a scripture course and every instructor is a liberal. One of them doesn’t believe in miracles. Every time I attend a lecture by the archdiocese, it’s by a liberal.
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Image_of_God
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I was refering to RCIA as to point out to the problems about Catehcumens in general. It would be better if they homestudied that to go to a Catehcumen that is taught wrongly.
I always thought that Cathechumens and womens taught both RCIA and Sunday School, etc.
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patg
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And what does this have to do with dissent?
Raymond Brown does not equal dissent…
Liberal/modern/scholarly scripture analysis does not equal dissent…
Historical Critical/Literary Form Biblical study does not equal dissent…
And the word “liberal” does not equal dissent…
All the above are perfectly compatible with magesterial teaching whether you (or Jaypeeto3) accept it or not. If it were not for concepts and people such as these, I wouldn’t be associated with the church any longer.
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Kendy
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Perhaps, I should be more careful about how I use the word liberal…
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Tantum_ergo
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Well, even the most dissident figure (naming no names) is not always 100% dissenting. I am sure that there are items of authoritative Catholic teaching that any dissident figure supports to some degree.
With respect, however, the difficulty (as the Secretary of State points out) is that there is a difference between someone who believes in Catholicism but thinks that there is anything other than Christ Himself which should be the ‘goal’ or focus of Catholicism, and someone who professes to be Catholic but actively fights** against** Christ and his teaching.
Both are wrong, of course, but the former is usually an ardent soul who is misled by emotions, feelings, and personal preferances/guilt, etc. The latter is a true dissident.
And unfortunately the latter type is usually the one misleading the former. . .
With respect, however, the difficulty (as the Secretary of State points out) is that there is a difference between someone who believes in Catholicism but thinks that there is anything other than Christ Himself which should be the ‘goal’ or focus of Catholicism, and someone who professes to be Catholic but actively fights** against** Christ and his teaching.
Both are wrong, of course, but the former is usually an ardent soul who is misled by emotions, feelings, and personal preferances/guilt, etc. The latter is a true dissident.
And unfortunately the latter type is usually the one misleading the former. . .
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Nohome
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Oh no, we can’t have women teaching. The next thing you know they will want to vote!
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Image_of_God
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Simply put, women can never and will never be part of the Holy Orders. But, they most certainly can teach little children and adults.Oh no, we can’t have women teaching. The next thing you know they will want to vote!
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Atreyu
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Well I’ve read one of his books and I found it brilliant, and completely orthodox.
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