Vatican: Sex abuse not just a Catholic problem

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stashko said:
I believe since the vatican is considered a state a country they have no authorty to extricate him if the vatican doesnt agree to it…its protecting him …if he should travel abroad then they could arrest him,that if they are seeking to prosecute him,all in all for the successors of the blessed St.Peter to allow this evil to continue.for years and years and turning a blind eye and shiffting from parish to parish diocese to diocese they should all be removed sent to monastery the rest of there natrual life and repent for the lord is very serious that anyone to lead astry or make a inoccent lose its path to salvation…better to drown ones self in this God would show more mercy …ive notice here instead owning up to the wrongs done by the clergy most of the catholic here are saying its happening in other denominations or in schools what of it…very rarely do i read sampathy for the victims its more for the church… oh how could find fault with the church…quoiting Patriarch Pavle of serbia to the serbians that did those attrocity in bosnia,with out recognition of sin there can be no repentance…hopefull this pope will do a total house cleaning…peace stashko:(
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cont…all the patriarchs with ecumenical one …they removed the jeruslam patriarch remember…stashko:p
 
stashko said:
I believe since the vatican is considered a state a country they have no authorty to extricate him if the vatican doesnt agree to it…its protecting him …if he should travel abroad then they could arrest him,that if they are seeking to prosecute him,
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:confused: You make no sense at all. You seem to be saying that it’s immoral for the Church ever to move a cleric from one country to another, because the first country might later want to prosecute him for something and the second country might refuse to extradite him. If you’re implying that the Church has somehow hidden or protected in the Vatican some cleric who is wanted on criminal charges in another country, this is a vicious calumny.
,all in all for the successors of the blessed St.Peter to allow this evil to continue.for years and years and turning a blind eye and shiffting from parish to parish diocese to diocese they should all be removed sent to monastery the rest of there natrual life and repent for the lord is very serious that anyone to lead astry or make a inoccent lose its path to salvation…better to drown ones self in this God would show more mercy .
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If you cut the overblown rhetoric for a moment to have a look at what actually happened, you’ll find that tghe successor of blessed St Peter was indeed the very one who demanded a stop to this evil and took effective actiopn to do so.
.ive notice here instead owning up to the wrongs done by the clergy
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You’ve noticed nothing of the kind. NOBODY here has made the slightest attempts to deny the wrongs done by Catholic clergy.
most of the catholic here are saying its happening in other denominations or in schools what of it.
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What of it? It’s about something called “the facts”. You should consider them sometime instead of just using the sufferings of abused people to score sectarian points.
…very rarely do i read sampathy for the victims its more for the church… oh how could find fault with the church…quoiting Patriarch Pavle of serbia to the serbians that did those attrocity in bosnia,with out recognition of sin there can be no repentance…hopefull this pope will do a total house cleaning…peace stashko:(
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How about attempting to answer my questions, Mr “I’m too important to bother using punctuation”?
 
Digitonomy said:
The only problem with this theory is that it’s clear the Vatican is trying to make its pronouncements more palatable, such as the pope’s letter accompanying Summorum Pontificum. I’m confident there was also Vatican-level PR explaining the technical rather than polemical nature of the Five Questions document, although what little I read along these lines was from pundits and local officials.
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Sure. They are trying to explain them so they are understandable. But I generally don’t see them trying to do a spin job of what we normally associate with pr.
 
most of the catholic here are saying its happening in other denominations or in schools what of it.
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Because it’s (gasp!), the topic of the thread. I’m sure if you started a thread about the wrongness of the abuse and cover-up and the plight of the victims, you will get commentary on that. Much of it agreeing with you about the wrongdoing.
 
To all,

The depth of hatred towards the Church and the faith that I have seen on other boards is quite shocking. I went looking for reactions to this topic on other sites, and I discovered literally thousands of messages filled with the worst vile and hate towards the faith, the Pope and the Church.

I could not stay there anymore because for every 100 haters, there was perhaps one Catholic who supported the faith, Pope and Church.

The depth of the irrational emotion, and the depth of ignorance and of trying to do some real research was also quite shocking, it seems people want to hate the Church no matter what it does or says…by the thousands.

I think we need to realize the level of hatred we are facing in this world, and we need to pray this does not increase. 😦
 
Petergee said:
:confused: You make no sense at all. You seem to be saying that it’s immoral for the Church ever to move a cleric from one country to another, because the first country might later want to prosecute him for something and the second country might refuse to extradite him. If you’re implying that the Church has somehow hidden or protected in the Vatican some cleric who is wanted on criminal charges in another country, this is a vicious calumny.
If you cut the overblown rhetoric for a moment to have a look at what actually happened, you’ll find that tghe successor of blessed St Peter was indeed the very one who demanded a stop to this evil and took effective actiopn to do so. You’ve noticed nothing of the kind. NOBODY here has made the slightest attempts to deny the wrongs done by Catholic clergy. What of it? It’s about something called “the facts”. You should consider them sometime instead of just using the sufferings of abused people to score sectarian points. How about attempting to answer my questions, Mr “I’m too important to bother using punctuation”?
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Every Bishops, Cardinals …what ever administrative title you church gives them is a successor of the apostle peter not just the pope…they them selfs being such should of known better…than to have shiffted the bad clergy around for years …they knew it and they allowed it…including the one that rome is protecting…i believe he has a better position in the vatican…finally this pope is trying to correct this situation.,thou it costing the church billions here in the u.s. God only knows how much it costing the church in europe to settle the abuse cases …i pray to God we orthodox never ever unite with you…we dont want your disease you sickness,your poison…stashko:p
 
DailyBread said:
Yeah, the Vatican needs to wise up on PR stuff, since how the rest of society measures you is really the measuring stick of God… ummm yeah and I have a bridge to sell in NJ.
Sorry to get off on this, but Jesus said we would be rejected and hated by the world. I mean if we look at PR jobs, then we would have to criticize Our Lord for standing for the eucharist in John 6 when others left, when others especialy the Pharisees questioned his teachings, and most especially the way He died. All these things, that there is one true Church that Christ founded, that we need to have respect while driving on the roads (I mean if you lived in Italy you would see why), and that they wish to help others prevent abuse (which the Church got criticized for not doing originally by some of its members), are true and we dont look to obey man, but rather God as the Apostles in Acts say!
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Investing in good P.R. is nothing if the media is looking for every negative story it can find about the Church. If there were no sex abuse scandal, there would be a sexual discrimination scandal because they forbid female priests. And if that wasn’t scandalous, they would accuse the Church of not being open to gay marriage.
 
Scottgun said:
Wow. What a model of charity.
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thank you…how about hearing more Charity toward the abused the inoccent child victims that had there fledgling faith in God and church destroyed by these perverts…at the knowledge of these so called apostolic successors …more like successors of satan and not of Christ…these bishops , cardinals,are hightly educated in theology they know what the lord demands of them they can claim no excuses what so ever…stashko:rolleyes:
 
stashko said:
thank you…how about hearing more Charity toward the abused the inoccent child victims that had there fledgling faith in God and church destroyed by these perverts…at the knowledge of these so called apostolic successors …more like successors of satan and not of Christ…these bishops , cardinals,are hightly educated in theology they know what the lord demands of them they can claim no excuses what so ever…stashko:rolleyes:
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So no sympathy at all for us who have been delt a serious blow? Just unsubstantiated implications that we care nothing for the victims? tsk. Now I know there has to be someone in the Orthodox that finds this whole line unseemly. Please chime in before my relatively high-esteem for them gets lowered several thousand feet.
 
pprimeau1976 said:
Trust me, the sickness is found all over. That Catholics just get the major news coverage.

A Call for a Reporting Policy on Sexual Abuse in the Orthodox Church
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actually we have a group of women that do monitor the orthodox churches there also is a web page …our Saintly orthodox Father Ambrose knows the web page ask him on eastern christian forum he will gladly give it to you…if a priest or deacon or monks or even a bishop are found to be guilty of it they are removed instantly not shifted around for years …we deal with our problems should they arise …stashko:p
 
Saintly Father Ambrose?

It’s a miracle to me he - and for that matter, you - haven’t been kicked off of this board.😛

Only Mary and Jesus never sinned. Quit acting like you schismatics never do. When you point a finger at someone else, three point back at you.
 
Scottgun said:
So no sympathy at all for us who have been delt a serious blow? Just unsubstantiated implications that we care nothing for the victims? tsk. Now I know there has to be someone in the Orthodox that finds this whole line unseemly. Please chime in before my relatively high-esteem for them gets lowered several thousand feet.
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Brorther sympathy in this case doesnt cure …may be the only miraculous cure for the sickness in you church is the unification with the holy orthodox churchs…stashko:p
 
stashko said:
Brorther sympathy in this case doesnt cure
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So you consider me a brother? Perhaps there is hope yet. What about the bad faith assumption that we don’r care about the victims?
…may be the only miraculous cure for the sickness in you church is the unification with the holy orthodox churchs…stashko:p
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I don’t know if it is fair to characterize the thousands of diocese that don’t have this problem as sick.
 
JW10631 said:
Saintly Father Ambrose?

It’s a miracle to me he - and for that matter, you - haven’t been kicked off of this board.😛

Only Mary and Jesus never sinned. Quit acting like you schismatics never do. When you point a finger at someone else, three point back at you.
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Yes i said saintly… holy mother mary chose not to sin …she was born like you and I no stain no sin …stashko 😛
 
Scottgun said:
So you consider me a brother? Perhaps there is hope yet. What about the bad faith assumption that we don’r care about the victims?

I don’t know if it is fair to characterize the thousands of diocese that don’t have this problem as sick.
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Yes i do we are all part of the human family …read the threads that defend the church with gusto …very few sympathetic for the
abused…quoiting the Holy Patriarch of Serbia pavle without recognition of sin there can no repentence …maybe i will use it for my signature…i only know what hits the news media ,thats how we all find out including catholic laity…stashko:p
 
stashko said:
…read the threads that defend the church with gusto …very few sympathetic for the
abused…
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Patently false. We are defending the Church because the threads in question are either asking or challenging us to defend the Church and not asking us about whether we think the abuses are wrong or about our sympathy for victims. Good faith on the part of all the participants in the discussion takes care of that. I can’t believe I even have to state that.
 
Scottgun said:
Patently false. We are defending the Church because the threads in question are either asking or challenging us to defend the Church and not asking us about whether we think the abuses are wrong or about our sympathy for victims. Good faith on the part of all the participants in the discussion takes care of that. I can’t believe I even have to stae that.
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Its a Catch-22, he makes vile comments about the Church -when you try to refute you are accused of defending Pedophile Priests. Its a great game for him-he gets to make all sorts of wild outrageous, insulting comments and you have it take it OR you can do like i have done and quit responding to his hate.
 
estesbob said:
Its a Catch-22, he makes vile comments about the Church -when you try to refute you are accused of defending Pediophile Priests. Its a gret game for him-he gets to make all sorts of wild oturagoeus, insulting comments and you have it take it OR you can do like i have done and quit responding to his hate.
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Thanks man for the dose of reality. Ignoring now.
 
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