We have no altar girls nor heard any jokes about Catholic pedophiles here. That is something that I have only seen happen in your society, and that makes it a problem of your society, not the Catholic Church.
An apostasy not seen since the Arian heresy, you say? I shall hold you to that.
As the above post mentions, the conclusion that the Church is in apostosy reveals a very western bias and totally ignores most facts. I think those who over blow the problems and use the rhetoric of crisis and apostasy are the ones who shut their eyes to data.
Your so lucky about ppl not making pedophile jokes around where you are!We have no altar girls nor heard any jokes about Catholic pedophiles here. That is something that I have only seen happen in your society, and that makes it a problem of your society, not the Catholic Church.
An apostasy not seen since the Arian heresy, you say? I shall hold you to that.
[yawn] Who is bullying, coercing and intimidating whom? By all means, people are free to follow their own will unto Judgment Day, but are not free to come here denegrating the Church to others.
I believe Lumen Gentium had pointed out that the mystical Body of Christ is entirely Catholic, but contains members who are not even Catholic, that the Universal Church, while visibly represented on Earth by the Catholic Church, is actually bigger than that.
I’ve seen that in all their clergy whom I’ve met. Stiff-necked, we-are-always-right-the-Vatican-is-wrong mentality that wants the Vatican to change. They don’t have to. A bit of humility would go a long way in helping them reconcile with the True Church.
It would actually have to be a bit earlier than that …
No intent to derail thread. Just wanted to mention that my oldest daughter graduated from the University of Alabama in 2010. Roll Tide! Wonderful school in a nice town.Your so lucky about ppl not making pedophile jokes around where you are!
When I tell people I’m Catholic they occasionally joke about that, my family who are Protestant are actually the worst offenders. It hurts my feelings cause they just don’t know that they are making fun of the true Church.
I want to live where you are!! Lol
I am half way through the book. I think you will enjoy it!
If we question the actual act of “rebooting” to a previous point to cut out a Church council, we will find that there is no point one can go back to as this would be something that has never happened in the Catholic Church, thus would be the opposite of traditional and an extreme innovation. Ironic, isn’t it.
Yes, indeed!
See post below. I accidentally quoted myself. Horrible source, if I say so myself.
Excellent! I will look forward to receiving my copy. If I like it well enough, I may look at Massimo Faggioli’s most recent book “True Reform: Liturgy and Ecclesiology in Sacrosanctum Concilium”. Already have it on my Wish List for future reference.
As stated by the Cardinal
Since was Vatican II, the documents from the council ARE the church’s teaching.
They reject the Pope and his authority.