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deogratias:
Most of us do it out of love for Christ although it is a “little thing”.
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It is the little things that get us to heaven!

St. Theresa pray for us.
 
I wear my chapel cap to weekday Mass and when I sing for a funeral Mass. On Sunday I wear a hat. It’s my own personal preference, a bit of nostalgia for the pre-VII church perhaps.
 
The wearing of a proper head covering was never recinded. For a well referenced discussion of this try www.catholicintl.com. You will have to browse a bit, but it is there.

MrS
 
I am trying to understand why you feel the practice of wearing a chapel veil is compared to women who wear garb that covers their face?
I am also wondering why you refer to women who wear a chapel veil mantilla as “super catholics”. You seem to have some hostility toward women who express their reverance by wearing this beautiful symbol of devotion? Are you insecure in being a woman or resentful of your femininity? Humility is a virtue who better deserves our practice of this virtue than our Lord who was not ashamed to suffer for all of us. Think about it. this is an optional practice if you do not feel comfortable wearing one do not show disdain towards those who want to.
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asquared:
do you mean we all dress up like women in Afghanistan under Taliban? why don’t we all cover up in black robes, too. that will be popular down here with summer temps in the 100s. What I would like to see is the return to hats, real hats, hats as an art form, hats as a fashion statement, hats as an expression of your personality. The only time I remember lots of women and girls wearing veils was in the 60s when hats went out of fashion, and the little chapel veils were a way have a head covering in church without an actual hat. So the girls had little chapel veils (or a piece of kleenex held in place with a bobby pin in an emergency), the nuns of course wore their long veils and habits. the long mantilla was worn by super-Catholics trying not to look like high school girls. Of course in the ethnic parishes it was babushkas.
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What I would like to see is the return to hats, real hats, hats as an art form, hats as a fashion statement, hats as an expression of your personality.
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This did not jump out at me the first time I read it but now I see it as very important. Why? Because it exemplifies what is often the problem in the Church today. It is theI-Me mentality - What I would like to see My personality

Mantillas and veils are far from fashion statements - they are worn for respect and to show our love of the Lord, not our love of ourselves - but rather the opposite.

A woman’s hair is considered her crowning glory and covering it is a sign of humility and modesty.

Hats as fashion statements would be indeed the opposite, a statement of vanity.
 
I wear hats. I don’t like veils. There are several women in my parish who wear hats but they are not fashion statements. They are not overlarge or flamboyant in any way. Mine is a small dark hat that that just covers my hair. I don’t think its distracting in any way. I don’t think its all about me…although it started out that way…

True confession…
I didn’t start out wearing hats because of any spiritual conviction. When I first starting attending mass I was finishing up with chemo and had no hair! By the time my hair grew back I felt funny entering the sanctuary without it…so I kept wearing it because that was what I was ‘used’ to.

It was until later that I began to appreciate the concept of a headcovering as a sign of devotion.

I’m tired of feeling like a second class worshipper because I like hats… 😛 😛 I know no one means to do that but sometimes I do feel that way.

dream wanderer
 
My statement was not - anti-hat but for the reasons asquared noted -

I have worn a hat instead of a veil in cold weather too (when I lived in Colorado) but like you, it was functional not fashionable.
 
**Nothing is wrong with hats! I love them, too! I just feel more reverent in my mantilla and so I wear it more often than hats. I have very long hair, also and hats simply don’t cover it, unless I wear my hair up in a bun underneath, so the mantilla is best for me. Hats are great for shorter hair, though. I love to see women in hats as they can be quite formal and lovely. But when I’m not in Mass I’m known to wear my cowgirl hat often!! :tiphat: **
 
Tom Herring:
Would you like to see the practice of women wearing veils return?
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What concerns me are the teenie boppers who are wearing mini-skirts…and a thong…to Mass. It’s a shame. I’m not an “old fogie” (as one individual implied awhile back…until I told them my age)…I’m 26…it’s hard to concentrate in such a setting.
 
I am not against veils, or for them. What I am against is posing a question in a form that is ambiguous and out of context, and then when someone asks for clarification, resorting to the usual uncharitable “I’m a holier Catholic than you are” retorts that posters in this forum usually descend to in their temper tantrums.

There was never a requirement to wear veils. There used to be a discipline that women covered their heads in church, and men removed their hats. Down here in Tex we often have a problem with the latter as well. Remember those little clips on the pews that men used to hang up their hats?
 
“I’m a holier Catholic than you are” retorts that posters in this forum usually descend to in their temper tantrums.
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You can read all that into the replies you get here? I for one have never had a temper tantrum on or off the forum.

What I see is difference of views and opinions -

And I really have not seen any “holier than thou” in most threads.
 
The headcovering in church shows the order intended by God. Since the Bible is completely true I will listen to God and have my future wife and daughters wear veils/headcoverings to church or my parishioners if that works out.
 
Catholic Eagle:
The headcovering in church shows the order intended by God. Since the Bible is completely true I will listen to God and have my future wife and daughters wear veils/headcoverings to church or my parishioners if that works out.
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Very blunt…but that is what we need sometimes. It sounds like you read the discussion between Colin Donovan of EWTN and Robert Sungenis of CAI.
Pray for bishops with discipline to step forward and stop the laity from creating their own norms.
Our parish has gone from none to about a dozen who now have returned to wearing lace veils - some small some down past the neck line.

MrS
 
What concerns me are the teenie boppers who are wearing mini-skirts…and a thong…to Mass.
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What I found silly in my first Tridentine Mass in 33 years was a woman in gym attire and a mantilla. What’s the point?

John
 
Maybe she had to jog to Church?

Probably more likely it was her first TLM also and she arrived dressed like she would for Mass at her parish.

The mantilla was probably not hers but one that they have available in the vestibule at most TLM’s for those who wish to borrow one.

It is not required that people “dress up” or “wear mantillas”, but traditionally I notice more people do dress up - or at least dress up as much as one would to fly first class on an airline on a buddy pass (they have their requirements for dress) at TLM and most women wear mantillas or some head covering -

Then we have the occasional lady in the gymn suit or the man in the bermuda shorts.

Sometimes one does get distracted at Mass by little things. Last Sunday I think we had a larger congregation than usual. I knelt for a long while after communion but had to sit back for a bit because of a bad knee. Since I was on the aisle, that put me at rear pocket eye view of the men as they approached the rail.
Dockers will be happy to know that more men wear dockers at our TLM than any other brand;)
 
there is one reason I would support wholeheartedly handing out mantillas to every woman who enters the church, it could be used to wrap around a bare midriff or stuffed down a plunging neckline, or to cover bare shoulders, I thing we should be addressing the entire topic of appropriate dress for Mass.
 
I thing we should be addressing the entire topic of appropriate dress for Mass.
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Why don’t you start a thread for that since it is a different topic?
 
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deogratias:
Why don’t you start a thread for that since it is a different topic?
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We’ve already had several threads on that topic. We bickered over where we should wear Sunday Best or be comfortable. Most agreed we should be clean and modest and at the very least be ‘nice casual’.

I think hair style might be a factor in what kind of headcovering we like. I have very short, curly thick hair and a hat just fits over it better. I did a trial run with a veil like head covering while at home and it was quite uncomfortable. I have the idea that I would be forever fooling around with it as it was in my line of vision. I don’t even like my hair hanging down where I can see it…I’m always brushing it out of the way.

I just think my parish is a ‘hat’ parish. There aren’t many of us…and one or two ladies who wear a veil…but at least if you come here and wear a headcovering of some kind you won’t feel like you are ‘standing out’ or distracting anyone.

dream wanderer
 
Well we recently already had an extensive discussion on veils as well.

Probably enough has been said on both subjects for a while.
 
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