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Victoria33 said:
You certainly are welcomed to your opinion. I can see how lacking electricity would greatly complicate matters at hospitals. I think it’s a very good article.
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That article is much better! It makes the tangible connection between power and quality of care.

My earlier comment was not a defense of the govt, just a criticism of a writer going for sensationalism over practicing journalism.
 
Theo520 said:
That article is much better! It makes the tangible connection between power and quality of care.

My earlier comment was not a defense of the govt, just a criticism of a writer going for sensationalism over practicing journalism.
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The reporter may well have just been going with the facts he/she was given, they may not be on the ground in Venezuela as many reports we get from Syria, the reporter is not actually there. Maybe the reporter was just given bare facts, “3 people died from the hospitals lacking electricity”, I heard that figure elsewhere myself before even seeing that article.

In fact, from youtube, I’ve watched a few broadcasts, usually of the protests from " VPI TV en VIVO", one can find that for themselves. Right at the moment, they are talking to people in the hospital. I’m sure journalists use sources like this as well.

I’ll add in @theo520 , I can absolutely see what you are talking about, that the journalist does not connect the dots, give cause and effect. That is so. Perhaps, the journalist wasn’t in a place to report these incidences. Perhaps, they are going from Spanish language reports… and those reports said 3 people had died in hospitals because of the blackour or power outages and they were just reporting it.
 
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What the writer did was create fake news. The issue is serious and deserves better reporting.
 
If one cares to say that. I’m getting the “let others join the conversation” blue box, so this is my last posting but I would not be so accusatory to others. At times, there may be fake news, at other times, the reporter may be relaying what they have been told. I doubt if they are on the ground in Caracas or Venezuela: I’ve been around journalism to know, these people are often reporting on what they have information on and do not have some sinister motive or are reporting on fake news. I’m glad the author told us this.


www.france24.com

Venezuela’s crumbling health system leaves impoverished patients to die

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15 dialysis patients have died in Venezuela's blackout: NGO

15 dialysis patients have died in Venezuela's blackout: NGO. <br/> <br/> 15 dialysis patients have died in Venezuela's blackout: NGO <br/> 10 Mar 2019 <br/> Fifteen Venezuelans with advanced kidney disease have died after being unable to get dialy
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Same story, different journalist author:

3 dead after explosion cuts power to Venezuela for 2 days​

Oct. 18 (UPI) – An exploding transformer knocked out power to most of Venezuela for two days, leaving hospitals with no electricity and causing the deaths of three people, officials said.
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3 dead after explosion cuts power to Venezuela for 2 days - UPI.com

An exploding transformer knocked out power to most of Venezuela for two days, leaving hospitals in the dark and causing three deaths, officials said.
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See that above? “Officials said”, is that good enough to write such a story? Maybe that’s all they had as far as information… that and whatever else was disclosed.
 
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The standards for reporters are higher than sharing gossip, what they heard or were told. They need to back up their story.

Your new links were written by competent journalists, they do make the connection between lack of power and increased mortality.
 
Information is sourced as far as I see and says the same thing as the other story said. The two stories cross checked.
LONDON – Three people, including a newborn, have died in Venezuela after an hours-long power outage in 16 states left hospitals with no power, a persistent problem in what is already a struggling nation.

The explosion of an electrical transformer in the interior of Venezuela left most of the country without power on Monday and Tuesday, Luis Motta Dominguez, the Minister of Electric Energy, said in a video on Instagram.
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I suggest we drop this matter, it is proven that officials said 3 patients died, so the reporter was not making fake news. It is not easy to report from Caracas and the reporter may have been going from wire reports.

After all, at least, two reporters have been detained in the past two weeks there to be saying some are making fake news. That claim appears false.
 
Theo520 said:
Your new links were written by competent journalists, they do make the connection between lack of power and increased mortality.
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And thereby, the claim this was fake news was false to say as well. Ok. The article was just not written to your liking.
 
Victoria I spoke with a friend of mine from Venezuela on Ash Wednesday, and well. Things are bad. But people are resilient, we always find a way. Lots of prayer for Venezuela.
 
I watched some of the coverage yesterday, a man came out (in these street protests, people often come up and give a little speech, a statement) and he was saying in Spanish, “The people are dying”, “we can’t buy shoes”, absolutely heart breaking… and again, I would tell people they can look this up at youtube, maybe it is on the web too, live coverage in Spanish: VPI TV en VIVO

And Senator Rubio’s twitter has lots of valuable information, he’s really taken a particular interest in this and often tweet a whole lot about what is happening.

https://twitter.com/marcorubio

I don’t know if I agree with everything, like sending troops in but if it gets too bad, who knows? I only mention troops because it is NOT on his twitter but it was in a bill in congress. The part of military intervention was voted out of the bill but as far as that goes, I believe he was for it.
As for the original article that was referred to, the information of “officials said” may have been in the ABC “Venezuelan News Alerts” but those may change, I looked at the link. Sometimes, with fluid live stories, the writing may indeed change.

 
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We should, the United Nations should have gone in a really long time ago. Humanitarian missions.

Rubio is doing a great Job leading this.
 
The whole grid, almost, went out… the way it looks, it looks like they could be without power for some time. I mean, this is huge. We once were without power for about 7 or 8 days and that was tough enough. And it was probably for a relatively small area. You apparently have a lot of jungle there, it sounds like the Amazon forest even reaches up there.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1104337673471344640

RCTV means something like Radio Caracas TV, I mean, a lot of us are just getting information here and there… maybe a journalist should get it exact but some of this is just being reported and all kinds of reports every hour.
 
Victoria33 said:
And thereby, the claim this was fake news was false to say as well. Ok. The article was just not written to your liking.
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You are correct, the news is real but was just poorly written in one article.

My approach is to be very critical of all the articles I read. When any author fails to support what they are saying, I assume it as ‘fake news’ until it is supported. From the very beginning of this diversion my criticism was of one author, not the crisis in the country.
 
I wonder if there’s a US contingency plan somewhere modeled on the intervention in Panama.

They could call it

Operation REALLY Just Cause.

Maybe they could just SHOW weapons to the border guards, and under a flag of truce make them an offer they can’t refuse. And let those “enemy” soldiers lead the supplies to the people.

I pray for a peaceful end to this (meaning also the Maduro regime), and that there’s soon relief for the Venezuelan people.

Maduro needn’t be surrounded, blasted with loud rock music, and jailed like Manuel Noriega (who also stole an election and wouldn’t leave); in fact in the interest of peace perhaps a Napoleon-like retirement could be planned for him.

Without Socialist crooks despoiling it, Venezuela might quickly rebound and return to being a thriving first world country again.
 
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