Very interesting! Why is this the case? Was there a desire to standardise the liturgy? (as for example happened with the Greeks imposing on the Antiochians)
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The church was reeling with the challenge of Protestantism. In part a unified front, in part an assertion of church authority for the sake of showing that it existed, in part preventing various areas going their own ways.
I suspect (but it’s nothing more than suspicion) that moving towards “the way Rome does it” had been on the rise for centuries–at least where corruption wasn’t rampant.
It certainly makes sense to take a unified approach when there’s is an attack at your very core.
The OF is the Novus Ordo which includes different rites such as the priest facing the people etc. right?
“Novus Ordo” (New Order ) was the name originally on the books for the revised Mass. It is
not on the books for the last coupe revision (no would it be accurate half a century later). Today, it seems to be used most often in a condescending manner.
In the actual rubrics of the OF, the presumption is the priest facing East (not “away from the people”, although the two are usually the same [bot note ancient chuches in Rome itself, where facing East meant
towards the people, and that
they turned East at multiple points in even the pre-tridentine Mass!]). It I an
option in the OF for the priest to face the people instead of Was
Chant can certainly be used in the OF, and is descale, although I don’t think (but could be wrong) tat the older vestments can be used.
Does EF imply things like incense and vestments and so forth? or is it simply the older form of the Mass from before Vatican II?
It’s the older form. I really couldn’t tell you if incense can be omitted (or whether it happened or not, regardless of whether it should have been)
When I was in my early teens the Sunday Divine Liturgy was part Slavonic, part English.
That’s really what the Eastern churches did so much better than the RCC, although with varying degrees of success (you note a lesser degree!)
The bit at a time approach worked better than “ta-dah! new Mass
and new language!”.
I’ll also note that when I went to my first DL, had it not been in English (or primarily so), I would have been impressed with it as something beautiful–but probably wouldn’t have returned. Today, I’m “all in” as eastern. And, as a practical matter, the
majority of so many of our parishes were not born into the East . . .
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