Vice President Biden 'really excited' about papal visit [CC]

[margjames]

Today VP Joe Biden, a proclaimed Catholic, stated that he does not believe in abortion but will not stand in the way of those who believe differently (paraphrased). Abortion is a moral issue, is it not? We ought never impose our morality on anyone. The question is, whose morality it is? It is God’s morality. Those who assist or abet a person’s abortion are guilty of mortal sin. Does anyone else find Biden’s defense of abortion lame?

 

[zz912]

Today VP Joe Biden, a proclaimed Catholic, stated that he does not believe in abortion but will not stand in the way of those who believe differently (paraphrased). Abortion is a moral issue, is it not? We ought never impose our morality on anyone. The question is, whose morality it is? It is God’s morality. Those who assist or abet a person’s abortion are guilty of mortal sin. Does anyone else find Biden’s defense of abortion lame?

It’s not just lame, it is heretical and apostasy. He doesn’t really believe the faith, because he ignores it when inconvenient to him.

 

[margjames]

Thank you for precise words that make Biden’s religion a matter of convenience in order to hold on to his powerful government position rather than demonstrate Catholicism.

 

[bibcat]

US Vice President Joseph Biden said that he is “really excited” about this week’s visit to Washington by Pope Francis, whom he sees as "the embodiment of the Catholic social doctrine that …

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He’s a stalwart supporter of same-sex “marriage” and he calls himself a Catholic? That’s like calling yourself a car because you’ve spent some time in a garage.

 

[DAML72]

It’s not just Biden. I have been watching coverage of the Pope’s visit on MSNBC - so many of the reporters are so-called Catholics who also support same-sex marriage, abortion, Planned Parenthood, ordination of women (I heard Christ Matthews state today that the church could change position on ordination of women because it’s not ‘doctrine’- uhm, what?!)

It makes me absolutely crazy to hear politicians and media personalities point to the Pope’s comments about support for the family and social justice, while at the same time pointing out that they do not agree with him on the issues of family, contraception and abortion - as if there were no connection between the two whatsoever!

Why are people so blind?!?

 

[margjames]

As much as I wish it weren’t true, it is a principle that men alone will be priests, not dogma. Therefore, it could be changed but it won’t be. Jesus set it up the way it is meant to be and I don’t think the ordination of a woman as a priest will ever happen.

 

[Suudy]

As much as I wish it weren’t true, it is a principle that men alone will be priests, not dogma. Therefore, it could be changed but it won’t be. Jesus set it up the way it is meant to be and I don’t think the ordination of a woman as a priest will ever happen.

I don’t think this is the case. JPII wrote about this explicitly.

ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2ordin.htm

From that:
4. Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

As much as I wish it weren’t true, it is a principle that men alone will be priests, not dogma. Therefore, it could be changed but it won’t be. Jesus set it up the way it is meant to be and I don’t think the ordination of a woman as a priest will ever happen.

Not true. It is a matter of Divine Law, and is not possible. Pope Francis has said so. Pope Benedict said so. Pope John Paul II said so. And those are just the three from my memory.

It. is. not. possible. No Pope can change what God has ordained.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Fr. Pavone: VP Biden misses the point on abortion

priestsforlife.org/library/5400-fr-pavone-vp-biden-misses-the-point-on-abortion

 

[margjames]

I am so pleased you took the time to send me the information to substantiate the subject of men alone being Catholic Priests. I had recently read it was a principle so now I feel great relief to know the facts. God Bless.

 

[zz912]

It’s not just Biden. I have been watching coverage of the Pope’s visit on MSNBC - so many of the reporters are so-called Catholics who also support same-sex marriage, abortion, Planned Parenthood, ordination of women (I heard Christ Matthews state today that the church could change position on ordination of women because it’s not ‘doctrine’- uhm, what?!)

It makes me absolutely crazy to hear politicians and media personalities point to the Pope’s comments about support for the family and social justice, while at the same time pointing out that they do not agree with him on the issues of family, contraception and abortion - as if there were no connection between the two whatsoever!

Why are people so blind?!?

Sin darkens the intellect. It’s as simple as that. And at a certain point, humans prefer the darkness of sin instead of the light of truth. They’re so invested in their sin, they don’t want the truth.

 

[pnewton]

The Holy Father, as head of the Church and as a head of state, is diplomatically welcoming other heads of state.

So you just think he was behaving out of respect for diplomatic protocol? That would be a first for the Holy Father.

Does this mean that they are in accord with Church teaching or should look to those heads of state as good Catholics? Does that mean we can never condemn their heresy and apostasy?

Condemning heresy and apostasy is okay. Condemning heretics and apostates based on our own judgment, even if it seems clear and obvious is not.

The Holy Father said in his speech to Congress that we “must avoid the reductionism that sees only good and evil or, if you will, the righteous and sinners.”

The Church does not teach that the Holy Spirit selects the Pope.

We do not cast lots for the Pope and let the God determine the role. However, we do believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord the Giver of Life. We believes that He will lead us into all truth. The Pope is chosen by the College of Cardinals, who look to the leadership of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, unless one has a low opinion of the majority of Cardinals, then we can accept that this choice was from the Holy Spirit. It takes more cynicism than I can muster to think the choice was not of the Holy Spirit.

 

[CaptFun]

Fr. Pavone: VP Biden misses the point on abortion

priestsforlife.org/library/5400-fr-pavone-vp-biden-misses-the-point-on-abortion

Thanks Abyssinia. Just thought this deserved to be called out:

PHILADELPHIA – In an interview with the Jesuit publication America, Vice President Biden stated,

“Abortion is always wrong … But I’m not prepared to impose doctrine that I’m prepared to accept on the rest of [the country]…I’m prepared to accept that at the moment of conception there’s human life and being, but I’m not prepared to say that to other God-fearing [and] non-God-fearing people that have a different view.”

**Fr. Frank Pavone, National Director of Priests for Life, **issued the following statement today about these remarks:

"While the vice president acknowledges that abortion is always wrong, apparently he misunderstands the reason.

Abortion is wrong for the same reason stealing is wrong or terrorist acts are wrong:

These actions violate people’s rights. Are we to say that our faith opposes terrorism, but that we will allow it for people of other faiths?

The goal of the pro-life movement and pro-life churches is not to impose beliefs on anyone, but rather to protect people from beliefs that others would invoke to kill them."