Vick accepts plea deal

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(CNN) – Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick has accepted a plea deal that could send him to prison, ending a federal dogfighting prosecution that jeopardizes his pro football career, a Virginia newspaper is reporting.

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cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/20/vick/index.html

Nice to hear he is taking responsibility for his actions, albeit after all of this cohorts have threatened testimony against him. Tragic, this guy had life handed to him and he traded it all for what?
 
Tragic, this guy had life handed to him and he traded it all for what?
How do you figure he had life handed to him? He was born dirt poor in a housing project that was full crime. Everything he ever had was stuff that he earned by his own hard work and talent. Nothing was handed to him.
 
The Falcons also lost their 3rd string quarterback, DJ Shockley, for the year due to an injury. 😦

Oh well, there’s still College Football.
 
How do you figure he had life handed to him? He was born dirt poor in a housing project that was full crime. Everything he ever had was stuff that he earned by his own hard work and talent. Nothing was handed to him.
Meaning that he took that hard work and his naturally charismatic personality and was able to exchange it for the most lucrative contract in pro football history, and now with his admission of guilt, what does it all surmount to?
 
How do you figure he had life handed to him? He was born dirt poor in a housing project that was full crime. Everything he ever had was stuff that he earned by his own hard work and talent. Nothing was handed to him.
That makes it even worse in my opinion – having worked so hard for it all, is all the more reason to see the value of it and not throw it all away.
 
How do you figure he had life handed to him? He was born dirt poor in a housing project that was full crime. Everything he ever had was stuff that he earned by his own hard work and talent. Nothing was handed to him.
He should have worked harder on his morals. Looks like he was only interested in money. He is sorely lacking in morals and character. He should spend the maximum time in prison and be barred from the NFL.
 
He should have worked harder on his morals. Looks like he was only interested in money. He is sorely lacking in morals and character. He should spend the maximum time in prison and be barred from the NFL.
If he didn’t receive good morals or value in his home, then when exactly would he have developed them? I worked at a university police department that had to deal with “student-athletes” quite often. The schools with big time football are not in the business of teaching appropriate morals and ethics. The guys practice extremely long hours that leave little time for studying let alone citizenship classes and so long as they are winning. . .no one cares. Honestly, how many of us have asked the question about how college or pro athletes are developed and treated until one hits the news in a negative way. I don’t see the NFL hosting ethics classes for new recruits either.

It is the same thing when people win the lottery. Suddenly coming into a huge amount of money will likely magnify your existing character, not build it. IMO, if you were not stable with good judgment before the money (or fame), then you certainly won’t develop it spontaneously simply by becoming rich or famous.

This man is no better or worse than a non-famous person who made the same horrible choices in his life. His faults are merely being magnified by the public eye being on him through the media. The same amount of animals would have been hurt or killed regardless of the status of the person harming them. The same laws would have been broken. The same punishment should result and I really don’t recall anyone getting huge prison time for running dog (or rooster) fights in the past.

Vicks may disgust us with this behavior, but there are a lot of disgusting acts that are not punished with prison sentences. I would rather take humungous amounts of his money (which he will be unable to replace after losing his job) than waste a prison cell that we might need for a person who is violent against humans. We already have ridiculous overcrowding in jails/prisons.
 
Not to put too fine a point on it, but as well as dealing with abused dogs, we are dealing with one very sick puppy.

It would be nice to be able to think that all of the greedy people who lined up to make money off of this individual, in order to make the stuff for themselves, will also be very badly splashed by this mudbath. Call my cynical if you will, but I can’t but wonder whether or not Virginia Tech (yes, they made money off him, too), the NFL, the Falcons, Nike, and all the rest are more outraged over Vick’s moral turpitude, or their respective losses in cash and reputation? It’s not quite like the lottery win scenario. The lotteries don’t promote the person of the winner, just the fact of wins. All these outfits hyped and pumped up this sicko to the hilt.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
This whole thing is simple. Vick hid the nature of his operation and lied about his involvement to both his boss (Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons) and the NFL. This indicates that he, at some primordial level, knew that what he was doing was wrong. Yet, he continued anyway. Why do we have to make excuses for a 26 (ish?) year old man. We don’t. Vick did it, got caught, and now must pay the price. Actions have consequences.
 
If he didn’t receive good morals or value in his home, then when exactly would he have developed them? I worked at a university police department that had to deal with “student-athletes” quite often. The schools with big time football are not in the business of teaching appropriate morals and ethics. The guys practice extremely long hours that leave little time for studying let alone citizenship classes and so long as they are winning. . .no one cares. Honestly, how many of us have asked the question about how college or pro athletes are developed and treated until one hits the news in a negative way. I don’t see the NFL hosting ethics classes for new recruits either.
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Yes they do. Read below and go to the web site. You may not agree with what they are teaching about sex but they do in fact hold classes and have since before Vick joined the league. He is obviously one of the people who did not listen.

In late June, the N.F.L. convened its rookies in the hope of teaching them to make choices that aren’t so poor. For the better part of four days, the league commandeered La Costa Resort and Spa, north of San Diego, for a ‘‘rookie symposium.’’ Every drafted rookie was required to attend (or pay a $10,000 fine), from the No. 1 pick, David Carr, to the lowly seventh-rounders. They were not allowed to leave the premises without permission, or have guests, or drink alcohol. Cellphones and pagers were banned from the proceedings, as were do-rags, bandannas and sunglasses. The N.F.L. is working hard to breed the thug life out of any rookie so inclined. From 8 a.m. until 10 p.m., the players would sit through lectures about the pitfalls that await the unwary: paternity suits and domestic-abuse charges, bar fights and drug stings, crooked financial advisers and greedy hangers-on. The symposium would play like a blend of motivational seminar, boot camp, and ‘‘Scared Straight,’’ full of cautionary tales.

The greatest cautionary tale, however, was an unspoken one. The N.F.L. has been holding this symposium for six years. Major League Baseball and the National Basketball Association began similar versions even earlier. Which means that, of the relatively few professional athletes who do hit the crime blotter, the vast majority have already heard and not listened.

stephenjdubner.com/journalism/091802.html
 
Yes they do. Read below and go to the web site. You may not agree with what they are teaching about sex but they do in fact hold classes and have since before Vick joined the league. He is obviously one of the people who did not listen.

In late June, the N.F.L. convened its rookies in the hope of teaching them to make choices that aren’t so poor. For the better part of four days, the league commandeered La Costa Resort and Spa, north of San Diego, for a ‘‘rookie symposium.’’ Every drafted rookie was required to attend (or pay a $10,000 fine), from the No. 1 pick, David Carr, to the lowly seventh-rounders. They were not allowed to leave the premises without permission, or have guests, or drink alcohol. Cellphones and pagers were banned from the proceedings, as were do-rags, bandannas and sunglasses. The N.F.L. is working hard to breed the thug life out of any rookie so inclined. From 8 a.m. until 10 p.m., the players would sit through lectures about the pitfalls that await the unwary: paternity suits and domestic-abuse charges, bar fights and drug stings, crooked financial advisers and greedy hangers-on. The symposium would play like a blend of motivational seminar, boot camp, and ‘‘Scared Straight,’’ full of cautionary tales.

The greatest cautionary tale, however, was an unspoken one. The N.F.L. has been holding this symposium for six years. Major League Baseball and the National Basketball Association began similar versions even earlier. Which means that, of the relatively few professional athletes who do hit the crime blotter, the vast majority have already heard and not listened.

stephenjdubner.com/journalism/091802.html
Thanks for the info. i thought i remembered that the NFL had some program for rookies.

Personal i would be okay with whatever suspension the NFL dishes out but i think a year for ever dog he killed would be a nice starting point. I think he helped kill 8 dogs? so atleast 8 years starting from the time he leaves prision.
 
Thanks for the info. i thought i remembered that the NFL had some program for rookies.

Personal i would be okay with whatever suspension the NFL dishes out but i think a year for ever dog he killed would be a nice starting point. I think he helped kill 8 dogs? so atleast 8 years starting from the time he leaves prision.
If the state of Virginia is successful in pressing their gambling charge, Vick will be banned from the NFL for the rest of his life. That is thre reason he pleaded with the Fed, to get the gambling charge dropped.
 
Here is a link to an ESPN site that discusses the 10th anniversary of the NFL Rookie Symposium in San Diego

sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2500015

It’s from last year, which means that the NFL insitituted the policy in 1996. Vick was drafted in 2001, which means that he was required to attend this thing. They can make you go, but they can’t make you listen.
 
Wow have you read what the NAACP said?

msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7144938

“As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football,” said R.L. White, president of the NAACP’s Atlanta chapter. “We further ask the NFL, Falcons, and the sponsors not to permanently ban Mr. Vick from his ability to bring hours of enjoyment to fans all over this country.”

White said the Falcons quarterback made a mistake and should be allowed to prove he has learned from that mistake.
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White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick’s decision to accept a plea bargain if it’s in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick’s co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

**“At this point, you’re not looking at guilt or innocence,” White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. “You’re thinking, ‘What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.’ But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice.” **

White said he regretted that the plea deal will mean all the facts of the case might never be known.

“Some have said things to save their own necks,” White said. “Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being.”

White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting.
"His crime is, it was a dog," White said
**Honestly if Micheal did nothing wrong then he should have gone to trial but he choose not too… **

Weridly enough he is not the only one who thinks that dogfighting is a “Sport”.
msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7144402

Embattled Atlanta Falcon Michael Vick has a friend — and fellow doggie disrespecter — in Stephon Marbury

“I think we don’t say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals,” the Knick point guard told Capital News 9, an Albany TV station. "You know, from what I understand, dogfighting is a sport. It’s just behind closed doors.
 
If the NAACP leadership is saying that because Vick is black, what, I wonder, differentiates that from racism? Would they say the same thing about someone who, back in the day, might have been called a “good ol’ boy”, or “redneck”?

Worse yet (from here, anyway), some folks are beginning to speculate about a return to football for Vick via Canada. (Haven’t seen print yet, but have heard it tossed around on sports commentaries.) As if we don’t have enough problems north of the 49th. But perhaps the CFL has learned its lesson with Ricky Williams.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
If the NAACP leadership is saying that because Vick is black, what, I wonder, differentiates that from racism? Would they say the same thing about someone who, back in the day, might have been called a “good ol’ boy”, or “redneck”?

Worse yet (from here, anyway), some folks are beginning to speculate about a return to football for Vick via Canada. (Haven’t seen print yet, but have heard it tossed around on sports commentaries.) As if we don’t have enough problems north of the 49th. But perhaps the CFL has learned its lesson with Ricky Williams.

Blessings,

Gerry
They have. They are no longer interested in NFL convicts playing in the Great White North. The Arena Football League is a different story though.

thestar.com/Sports/article/248678

sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2977162
 
If the NAACP leadership is saying that because Vick is black, what, I wonder, differentiates that from racism? Would they say the same thing about someone who, back in the day, might have been called a “good ol’ boy”, or “redneck”?

Worse yet (from here, anyway), some folks are beginning to speculate about a return to football for Vick via Canada. (Haven’t seen print yet, but have heard it tossed around on sports commentaries.) As if we don’t have enough problems north of the 49th. But perhaps the CFL has learned its lesson with Ricky Williams.

Blessings,

Gerry
I have not heard them call for us to forgive of Don Imus and let him have his show back. Yes, I think they are being racist.
 
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