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MugenOne
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NAACP is a dumb organization. For all their trouble, Vick hasn’t even called them to say “thank you” for supporting him. Stupid.
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Scott_Lafrance
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From my limited perspective, the NAACP has no interest in squelching discrimination. Then those dudes wouldn’t have anything to do. There is far too much money to be made in perpetuating racism than there is in trying to sunset it.
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Lance
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Excellent point, I never thought of it that way.From my limited perspective, the NAACP has no interest in squelching discrimination. Then those dudes wouldn’t have anything to do. There is far too much money to be made in perpetuating racism than there is in trying to sunset it.
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Gerry_Hunter
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Well 3 cheers and a tiger!. Thanks for finding that. I missed it, and so did the radio guys, I guess.They have. They are no longer interested in NFL convicts playing in the Great White North. The Arena Football League is a different story though.
The reaction from some quarters - NAACP, that dippy NBA player who described dogfighting as an “indoor sport”, etc – seems to reflect a misunderstanding of what forgiveness is.
If Vick asks for forgiveness, it should be forthcoming (I don’t think he has yet). But that has nothing to do with making the consequences that follow from his actions disappear. Where proof of a character flaw emerges, then proof of a character repair must be in evidence before consequences abate. A lot of the pleading seems to be “let’s just pretend it didn’t happen.”
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Lance
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He will not plead guilty to killing dogs or gambling. Only the lesser charge of interstate commerce for the purpose of dog fighting. I hope the judge rejects his plea and if he is found guilty throws him in prison for the maximum time and that he is banned from the NFL for life.Well 3 cheers and a tiger!. Thanks for finding that. I missed it, and so did the radio guys, I guess.
The reaction from some quarters - NAACP, that dippy NBA player who described dogfighting as an “indoor sport”, etc – seems to reflect a misunderstanding of what forgiveness is.
If Vick asks for forgiveness, it should be forthcoming (I don’t think he has yet). But that has nothing to do with making the consequences that follow from his actions disappear. Where proof of a character flaw emerges, then proof of a character repair must be in evidence before consequences abate. A lot of the pleading seems to be “let’s just pretend it didn’t happen.”
Blessings,
Gerry
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GregoryPalamas
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Isn’t this whole matter, except for the lying, a temptest in a teapot. It seems minor compaired with the murdering of babies, doesn’t it? I can see secularists getting bent out of shape over this dog operation but why Christians? Mind you, it is cruelty to animals but does that compare with sucking the brains out of a living child or tearing a baby limb from limb?
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Scott_Lafrance
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When was Christ ever cruel to an animal? What do you think St. Francis of Assisi would answer. All life on this planet was given to us as a part of our stewardship. One’s deferrence to the treatment of animals is an indications to our attitude towards life as a whole. Please don’t confuse me for a vegan or anything, I enjoy ribs and barbequed chicken as much as the next guy. It is how we treat these animals up to the point were their lives are taken that matters.Isn’t this whole matter, except for the lying, a temptest in a teapot. It seems minor compaired with the murdering of babies, doesn’t it? I can see secularists getting bent out of shape over this dog operation but why Christians? Mind you, it is cruelty to animals but does that compare with sucking the brains out of a living child or tearing a baby limb from limb?
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Lance
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What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? Are we not supposed to be conserned about anything other than abortion? Abortion is horrible but we can also be conserned about other thing in our world while not lessening the seriousness of abortion. If you do not wish to participate in this discussion you don’t have to. There are lots of threads about abortion where you can state your views.Isn’t this whole matter, except for the lying, a temptest in a teapot. It seems minor compaired with the murdering of babies, doesn’t it? I can see secularists getting bent out of shape over this dog operation but why Christians? Mind you, it is cruelty to animals but does that compare with sucking the brains out of a living child or tearing a baby limb from limb?
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GregoryPalamas
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Have you ever seen how most livestock is raised? Have you ever been to a slaughter house?When was Christ ever cruel to an animal? What do you think St. Francis of Assisi would answer. All life on this planet was given to us as a part of our stewardship. One’s deferrence to the treatment of animals is an indications to our attitude towards life as a whole. Please don’t confuse me for a vegan or anything, I enjoy ribs and barbequed chicken as much as the next guy. It is how we treat these animals up to the point were their lives are taken that matters.
Lance,
I’m just trying to put this into perspective. Perhaps we should all become vegans. The dog fighting disgusts me but is it really as big a deal as we are making it? A big fine and jail for 90 days with probation for 10 years. He can still play arena football. I would suggest that in comparison Abortionists deserve life imprisonment.
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Lance
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I used to work in a slaughter house. Both sets of my grandparents were farmers and many of my relatives still are, so yes I have seen how livestock is raised and killed. This livestock is not beaten, starved or kept in filthy conditions. My relatives raise mostly hogs and no they are no able to lay outside in the mud and run free around the farm but they are kept in a clean barn, given lots of food and water so that they get big fast and are ready for market. They are a crop and they are killed, but they are not tortured like Vick’s dogs were.Have you ever seen how most livestock is raised? Have you ever been to a slaughter house?
Lance,
I’m just trying to put this into perspective. Perhaps we should all become vegans. The dog fighting disgusts me but is it really as big a deal as we are making it? A big fine and jail for 90 days with probation for 10 years. He can still play arena football. I would suggest that in comparison Abortionists deserve life imprisonment.
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I for one am not about to become a vegan. I love steak, ham, chops, chicken, fish and burgers too much.
Like it or not, abortion is not against the law. The abortionist will have to answer to God for their actions and I would not want to be in their place when they do so, but they can not be sent to prison for doing something that is, unfortunately, legal.
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Gerry_Hunter
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Yes, a bit disturbing. However, the State of Va. has yet to be heard from. They could lay charges concerning the animal cruelty and the gambling, using the evidence that flows from the federal proceedings on the interstate commerce investigations.He will not plead guilty to killing dogs or gambling. Only the lesser charge of interstate commerce for the purpose of dog fighting. I hope the judge rejects his plea and if he is found guilty throws him in prison for the maximum time and that he is banned from the NFL for life.
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A gambling charge and conviction would write “finis” to this affair as far as Vick’s football career is concerned. Gambling gets you a lifetime NFL ban, if the Connissioner is of a mind, and this current one seems to be rather tough minded.
Blessings.
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davy39
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What’s even more riduculous is the fact that some of people of the NAACP hasve come to his defence and tried to play the race card, as usual. I get so tired of their racism defence, I could just scream. Where were they with the Duke lacrosse team? Oh, that’s right. Different color.
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Scott_Lafrance
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they were with the “reverend” jesse jackson and al sharpton building the gallows to hang them. Since they’ve been exonerated, not a peep of an apology. go figure.What’s even more riduculous is the fact that some of people of the NAACP hasve come to his defence and tried to play the race card, as usual. I get so tired of their racism defence, I could just scream. Where were they with the Duke lacrosse team? Oh, that’s right. Different color.
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gilliam
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‘I WILL REDEEM MYSELF – I HAVE TO,’ SAYS NFL STAR MICHAEL VICK AS HE APOLOGIZES AND TAKES FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ROLE IN A DOGFIGHTING GAMBLING RING
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Vick: 'I need to grow up’
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Vick: 'I need to grow up’
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cathgal
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Oh puleeeze. There are worser crimes than killing dogs and those crimes don’t get the punishment like it deserves. Such hypocrisy!Thanks for the info. i thought i remembered that the NFL had some program for rookies.
Personal i would be okay with whatever suspension the NFL dishes out but i think a year for ever dog he killed would be a nice starting point. I think he helped kill 8 dogs? so atleast 8 years starting from the time he leaves prision.
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Gerry_Hunter
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Hypocrisy is perhaps a bit strong, but it is noteworthy how, in the wider media and public opinion, this whole mess has roused such an intense and visceral response.
One consolation, at least, is that people have not lost the ability to be outraged. Now, if that outrage could be vectored and controlled, so it had good effect on important issues … .
Meanwhile, I’d be happy if the judge threw the book at him, whether or not others deserve to have books thrown at them, too, but it doesn’t happen. But the statutes dictate that the “book” to be thrown is not that big, compared to what he’s already kicked away, and the character flaws he has revealed. Throwing the book won’t, we must concede, restore the former or repair the latter.
Blessings,
Gerry
One consolation, at least, is that people have not lost the ability to be outraged. Now, if that outrage could be vectored and controlled, so it had good effect on important issues … .
Meanwhile, I’d be happy if the judge threw the book at him, whether or not others deserve to have books thrown at them, too, but it doesn’t happen. But the statutes dictate that the “book” to be thrown is not that big, compared to what he’s already kicked away, and the character flaws he has revealed. Throwing the book won’t, we must concede, restore the former or repair the latter.
Blessings,
Gerry
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MelanieAnne
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You could take this paragraph & with some artful “cuts and pastes” substitute MANY different groups.From my limited perspective, the NAACP has no interest in squelching discrimination. Then those dudes wouldn’t have anything to do. There is far too much money to be made in perpetuating racism than there is in trying to sunset it.
Here’s the problem I have with NUMEROUS groups that purport to be looking out for the rights of one group or another and that is, all too often, they seek to perpetuate the problem in order to justify their continued existence (which I take to mean they are being paid for their work & if there was no longer a problem to solve, they would have no job. Of course, my recommendation is ~ get another job!) There are SO MANY examples of this that it would take up way too much space to list them.
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Scott_Lafrance
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In principle I completely agree, although I have to think that most of the pro-life groups would be more than happy to work themselves out of their jobs.You could take this paragraph & with some artful “cuts and pastes” substitute MANY different groups.
Here’s the problem I have with NUMEROUS groups that purport to be looking out for the rights of one group or another and that is, all too often, they seek to perpetuate the problem in order to justify their continued existence (which I take to mean they are being paid for their work & if there was no longer a problem to solve, they would have no job. Of course, my recommendation is ~ get another job!) There are SO MANY examples of this that it would take up way too much space to list them.
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Adonis33
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Who in the NFL has gotten away with committing a worse crime?Oh puleeeze. There are worser crimes than killing dogs and those crimes don’t get the punishment like it deserves. Such hypocrisy!
This isn’t just about killing dogs, but an illegal dog fighting ring that involved gambling. He committed a felony.
You don’t think electricuting, crushing and drowining dogs is bad enough?
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