Victoria's Secret Window Display Gets National Attention (pictures)

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MikeWM:
Airbrushing out Christianity by calling Christmas the ‘holidays’ or whatever similar nonsense
sometimes comes under the banner of political correctness, though I don’t think that was the original point either.
So you say its okay to Airbrush Christianity by calling Christmas the ‘holidays’?
Given I called doing so nonsense, evidently I don’t think so, no.
Wikipedia lacks credibility.
Each to their own. I find it quite reliable in general. Their article corresponds with my understanding in any event.
Sophism - is someon who rejects Catholic truth through devious reasoning. That’s Sophism.
Is someone doing that? :confused:

Mike
 
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bones_IV:
Wikipedia lacks credibility.
Sophism - is someon who rejects Catholic truth through devious reasoning. That’s Sophism.
sophism // n.
a false argument, esp. one intended to deceive.
[Middle English from Old French sophime via Latin from Greek sophisma ‘clever device’, via sophizomai ‘become wise’ from sophos ‘wise’]

sophist // n.
1 a person who reasons with clever but fallacious arguments.
2 Gk Antiq. a paid teacher of philosophy and rhetoric, esp. one associated with moral scepticism and specious reasoning.
sophistic // adj.
sophistical // adj.
sophistically // adv.
[Latin sophistes from Greek sophistes, from sophizomai: see sophism]

Concise Oxford Dictionary.

Can’t see any mention of Catholicism there!
 
Mom of one said:
:bigyikes: don’t think I’ll be going to the mall anytime soon, espeically with my son. Yowza!

The problem with the mall is more with what the women and teenagers wear (or don’t wear) than with the pictures. It is ridiculous. Does anyone think to put in clothes before they go out anymore?
 
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It is a bit of a Hobson’s choice. Would one desire to send oneself to hell through fornication or murder?

While one may be more serious in some theological sense, the end result is the same. Why pit one against the other?
Exactly.

Mindfully lessening the evil of one sin by comparing it to another doesn’t do us any good. It works to subconciously justify the “less evil” sin.
 
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Brad:
Exactly.

Mindfully lessening the evil of one sin by comparing it to another doesn’t do us any good. It works to subconciously justify the “less evil” sin.
Thank you. That is the thought I wanted to convey and could not. There is a subtle idea at work here that casual sex is no big deal and the really big deal is murder. That is prevelant in our society and leads to moral chaos.
 
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Thank you. That is the thought I wanted to convey and could not. There is a subtle idea at work here that casual sex is no big deal and the really big deal is murder. That is prevelant in our society and leads to moral chaos.
Saying something is less serious than something else doesn’t automatically mean that the first something is ‘no big deal’. It is a sense of proportion. If you think consenting non-married adults having sex is as serious to the fabric of society as murder then that is up to you - but you’re wrong.

You may note I started on this by talking about film certificates. They are handed out (thoeretically) on what is good for society, not what is good for our souls. Don’t confuse morals, laws, and societal norms.

Mike
 
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walstan:
sophism // n.
a false argument, esp. one intended to deceive.
[Middle English from Old French sophime via Latin from Greek sophisma ‘clever device’, via sophizomai ‘become wise’ from sophos ‘wise’]

sophist // n.
1 a person who reasons with clever but fallacious arguments.
2 Gk Antiq. a paid teacher of philosophy and rhetoric, esp. one associated with moral scepticism and specious reasoning.
sophistic // adj.
sophistical // adj.
sophistically // adv.
[Latin sophistes from Greek sophistes, from sophizomai: see sophism]

Concise Oxford Dictionary.

Can’t see any mention of Catholicism there!
A group of Greek teachers who flourished at the end of the fifth century B.C. They claimed to be purveyors of wisdom – hence the name sophistai, which originally meant one who possesses wisdom – but in reality undertook to show that all true certitude is unattainable, and that culture and preparation for the business of public life are to be acquired, not by profound thinking, but by discussion and debate.

www.newadvent.org
 
And further more Walstan consider this:

Questioner: "Statement made by Father Echert.This is a response to a recent post that was published on your web site “re: jews–lower case yours 11/26/04!). The Pope has made it very clear that we are to respect the religious faith of our Jewish Brothers and Sisters, that we are not to evangelize any member of the Jewish faith–in lay terms, hands off. Why is it that EWTN would publish the pseudo-scholarly ‘testimony’ of a person who does not have the courage to sign his name on the difficulty of “witnessing” to Jews, people whom this person alleges are his relatives?” One could assert with relatives like this, one would not need enemies. More disturbing is the Father Echert’s response that Moses and the prophets of the Hebrew Bible would sooner align themselves with us Christians than with the people who contiunue to learn and speak Hebrew and practice the faith of the forefathers of the Hebrew Bible? I think this kind of arrogance promotes hostility between Jews and Christians because it tacitly assumes that “we” know best. This kind of supercessionist thinking is rejected by all open-minded educated Christians who appreciate the fact that as Christians, we have much to atone for in our past treatment of the Jewish people. Let’s remember that Christian anti-semitism in Western Europe lay the foundation for passivity in the fact of terrible evil. In pax Christi.

Father Echert: If you have issues with what Jesus said about Moses, take it up with the Lord, not with me. Neither did you at all accurately represent what I wrote in my response, and you have assumed a posture of “arrogance” on my part. Please provide the quote of the Pope in which he teaches that we are not to evangelize Jews, and “keep our hands off.” Finally, you make an unwarranted move from the original subject, to an implicit charge of anti-semitism. You, sir, are a sophist–and not a very good one, at that!
 
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Thank you. That is the thought I wanted to convey and could not. There is a subtle idea at work here that casual sex is no big deal and the really big deal is murder. That is prevelant in our society and leads to moral chaos.
Kind of a silly idea when there is such a connection between one and the other - thus the chaos.
 
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MikeWM:
Saying something is less serious than something else doesn’t automatically mean that the first something is ‘no big deal’. It is a sense of proportion. If you think consenting non-married adults having sex is as serious to the fabric of society as murder then that is up to you - but you’re wrong.
Hmmm. What happens when consenting non-married adults engage in the marital act and an “unplanned” life is created?

Whoops. Backup plan is murder.

Just because the murder is as casual as the sex doesn’t make the murder less harmful to the fabric of society, does it?
 
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Brad:
Hmmm. What happens when consenting non-married adults engage in the marital act and an “unplanned” life is created?

Whoops. Backup plan is murder.

Just because the murder is as casual as the sex doesn’t make the murder less harmful to the fabric of society, does it?
If every single sex act led to pregnancy out of wedlock and then the pregnancy was aborted, your argument would have some merit. Given that most sex doesn’t lead to pregnancy, and most pregnancies don’t end in abortion, your argument doesn’t really follow. Having non-marital sex doesn’t forcibly lead you to murder.

Mike
 
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MikeWM:
Saying something is less serious than something else doesn’t automatically mean that the first something is ‘no big deal’. It is a sense of proportion. If you think consenting non-married adults having sex is as serious to the fabric of society as murder then that is up to you - but you’re wrong.

You may note I started on this by talking about film certificates. They are handed out (thoeretically) on what is good for society, not what is good for our souls. Don’t confuse morals, laws, and societal norms.

Mike
I am not confused, nor confusing anything. Non marital sex is grave for the soul and grave for society. As Brad correctly points out they are often linked.

The diminishing of the observance of moral law as it pertains to the right use of sexuality is common and the consequences are as determental to society as physical violence.
 
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walstan:
Obviously many mall shoppers have never been to Amsterdam.
Well maybe some of us just don’t want to be placed “face to face” with this kind of stuff.

I know that some people “pee” in public. But, I don’t want to have it publicly thrown into my families line of sight.
 
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Thank you. That is the thought I wanted to convey and could not. There is a subtle idea at work here that casual sex is no big deal and the really big deal is murder. That is prevelant in our society and leads to moral chaos.
Thank you well said.
 
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MikeWM:
If every single sex act led to pregnancy out of wedlock and then the pregnancy was aborted, your argument would have some merit. Given that most sex doesn’t lead to pregnancy, and most pregnancies don’t end in abortion, your argument doesn’t really follow. Having non-marital sex doesn’t forcibly lead you to murder.

Mike
It is not only direct surgical abortion that is linked to non marital sex, but many other problems happen such as STDs that lead to death, the death of family relationships, the ruin of children’s lives, sterility, the break down of the moral fiber of society and how we relate to each other are important concerns that all impact us.

The idea that only drive by shootings or bank robbers are hurting society is the lie of relativism.
 
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I am not confused, nor confusing anything. Non marital sex is grave for the soul and grave for society. As Brad correctly points out they are often linked.

The diminishing of the observance of moral law as it pertains to the right use of sexuality is common and the consequences are as determental to society as physical violence.
Not the case. A guy goes home and has sex with his long-term partner. Another guy pulls a knife on me as I walk home and stabs me in the heart. You think those actions are equally detrimental to society?

Mike
 
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The idea that only drive by shootings or bank robbers are hurting society is the lie of relativism.
Good job I didn’t say anything of the sort then, isn’t it?

Mike
 
o k, when i read the story and see the reaction “I want to see what’s going on here,’ and I’m absolutely horrified beyond belief,” said Christine… i just have to cringe, because that reaction is borderline psychotic. To be “abolutely horrified beyond belief” by plastic models in a window is, well, at best a sign of an unbalanced mind.
It’s just lingerie. Its just a display. Sexy in the bedroom with my wife is fine. The real sin lies in the mind of those who twist sexuality into unhealthy fear… in and of itself, there is nothing morally objectionable to underwear. All the nude models in college art class, the nude models in studio times at the art centers, the hundred and thousands of hours i’ve painted and drawn nudes, never once was it sick and perverted. This window in question, is just a window display. it looks tame at best and at worst, the critique that stood out most at me was that the reddish hair on the model was the wrong color for the tones on the set.
 
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MikeWM:
If every single sex act led to pregnancy out of wedlock and then the pregnancy was aborted, your argument would have some merit. Given that most sex doesn’t lead to pregnancy, and most pregnancies don’t end in abortion, your argument doesn’t really follow. Having non-marital sex doesn’t forcibly lead you to murder.

Mike
Trying to play God(contraception) is one of the worst sins (pride).

The fact that there are many more sex acts going on than their are murders as the result of these sex acts doesn’t mean that these murders are down overall since abortion became in vogue. It just means sex acts are up.

Having non-marital sex doesn’t force you into murder but it certainly increases the number of murders dramatically.

And this doesn’t even mention the indirect results of death and disease resulting from “safe sex”.
 
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